Bring Back Fox Hunting

[broadbandking]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

People don't realise what **** fox hunters are, when my mum was a little girl the **** ended up chasing a fox through their garden trashing it and the dogs killed there dog.

They didn't give a flying fig as they it was there god given right, her brother was in the army had he been at home he would have proberly shot the dogs.

These dog did to their dog what they do to a fox tear it to pieces.

Totally agree with you, I would like to see a so called hunter been chased by a rabid dog and torn apart, then justify killing for sport.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

One that has been banned because the after many years of campaigning because of the needless cruelty involved

As I pointed out, that is not the reason why it was banned

That's just your opinion ,but whatever the reason for the ban it is a good thing.

and that's just your opinion, touché

Yes it is .All hunting with dogs is banned ,including mink ,hares, deer and anything else you can think of .

hunting with dogs is banned, but there are ithe forms of hunting and blood sports that aren't . hunting with hawks isn't banned for example?

I think you'll find a lot of the "city idiots" are much more informed than you give them credit for .

I am yet to be convinced.

That's just an ignorant statement to make .Everything you just mentioned is food ,when was the last time you had a bit of fried fox .Hunting is meant to be a means of getting food as in fishing or deer stalking .Hunting is not leaving the prey in a field to rot after dogs have ripped it apart ,that is just mans abuse of animals

Ignorant? Re-read what you have posted and turn on your irony detector.

So according to you it's ok to treat animals inhumanely if they are food?

Also just to point out that very rarely in fishing (angling) are the fish caught for food, after the trauma of being caught they are kept in a net with 10's of other fish, many of which die.

Also "mans abuse of animals". This is exlusive to fox hunting?

Animals are abused on a vastly more extensive scale on being farmed for our food than any fox might be, at least the fox has a chance to escape, what chance does a factory farmed pig have?

You are so laughable it beggars belief.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Snaring a rabbit should be quite quick if done correctly and usually the hunter is in the near vicinity to deal with rabbit quickly ,i.e breakit's neck

a painful lingering death where the rabbit usually nearly always damages it's leg so much by trying to get free it either dies exhausted or painfully over a matter of hours.


Yes...... Much better option that instant death

Originally Posted by Pierre

As I pointed out, that is not the reason why it was banned......snip the non sensical post

Non of that post is valid as any kind of argument because you are making the same mistake as your "city idiots". You are confusing sport hunting with raising animals to be killed for food ,or catching wild animals for food .There is a massive difference and they are not comparable ,but then a "city idiot"(your words not mine) wouldn't understand that.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by marty

Non of that post is valid as any kind of argument because you are making the same mistake as your "city idiots". You are confusing sport hunting with raising animals to be killed for food ,or catching wild animals for food .There is a massive difference and they are not comparable ,but then a "city idiot"(your words not mine) wouldn't understand that.

Fox hunting is a sport which is attended by all walks of life not just by those in the countryside. The idea its about controlling the fox population is a thinly veiled excuse by barbarians who have a blood lust and find the act of killing gives them gratification.

If any one has watched the spectacle of the hunt they would see it for the sport it is. A spectacle where so called humans enjoy, scream and shout in obvious enjoyment as a defenseless animal is torn to threads by a pack of dogs for there gratification.

They are sick, twisted and not deserving of the status of being called intelligent.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by martyh

Non of that post is valid as any kind of argument because you are making the same mistake as your "city idiots". You are confusing sport hunting with raising animals to be killed for food ,or catching wild animals for food .There is a massive difference and they are not comparable ,but then a "city idiot"(your words not mine) wouldn't understand that.

So if the hunters ate the fox (or whats left of it) afterwards, would fox hunting then be ok?

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

So if the hunters ate the fox (or whats left of it) afterwards, would fox hunting then be ok?

I can't think of a more expensive way to catch one's food especially as when hunting for food the aim is to get as much of the animal as one can.With the traditional fox hunt by the time you have your fox it is ripped to pieces.So no it wouldn't.

An animal is far better fare when it has not been exposed to a stressful death.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

So if the hunters ate the fox (or whats left of it) afterwards, would fox hunting then be ok?

To some maybe ,but no one would use a pack of dogs to hunt down a fox if they where going to eat it

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

Non of that post is valid as any kind of argument because you are making the same mistake as your "city idiots". You are confusing sport hunting with raising animals to be killed for food ,or catching wild animals for food .There is a massive difference and they are not comparable ,but then a "city idiot"(your words not mine) wouldn't understand that.

Go on then, runaway from the argument, discount your double standards. The fact you dismiss it out of hand weakens your viewpoint and quite frankly makes you look stupid.

What a strange world you live in.

It's wrong to chase down a wild fox for say a few hours, inhumanely (some would argue not) killing it with dogs for sport. If indeed you catch it.

But it's perfectly acceptable to keep domestic farm animals, in inhumane, miserable, depressing factory conditions for any length of time from which there is no escape, because eventually you're going to eat them, perhaps.

I'm not confusing the issue, because unlike yourself I haven't got conflicting principles.

Surely if you campaign for the rights of one animal to be treated humanely, then surely you should campaign for the rights of all animals to be treated humanely.......regardless of the situation be that hunting or farming. Or in your eyes should one animal have more rights than another?

You side stepped the angling point but I wont bother pursuing you on that.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

An animal is far better fare when it has not been exposed to a stressful death.

Does it taste different?

Make sure your not eating any halal meat then as well.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Go on then, runaway from the argument, discount your double standards. The fact you dismiss it out of hand weakens your viewpoint and quite frankly makes you look stupid.

What a strange world you live in.

It's wrong to chase down a wild fox for say a few hours, inhumanely (some would argue not) killing it with dogs for sport. If indeed you catch it.

But it's perfectly acceptable to keep domestic farm animals, in inhumane, miserable, depressing factory conditions for any length of time from which there is no escape, because eventually you're going to eat them, perhaps.

I'm not confusing the issue, because unlike yourself I haven't got conflicting principles.

Surely if you campaign for the rights of one animal to be treated humanely, then surely you should campaign for the rights of all animals to be treated humanely.......regardless of the situation be that hunting or farming. Or in your eyes should one animal have more rights than another?

You side stepped the angling point but I wont bother pursuing you on that.

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I haven't run away from any argument at all ,you just don't have any arguments yourself apart from the usual tripe trotted out by people who pretend to know what they are talking about and so descend into insulting other peoples views ,as you always do , and for your information i have never defended any form of factory farming .Keeping a herd of cattle in a field is not factory farming and i don't buy factory farmed chickens or eggs .
What you need to do is stop being so insulting to posters who don't share the same views as you ,it shows a distinct lack of inteligence is very juvenile

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

I haven't run away from any argument at all ,you just don't have any arguments yourself apart from the usual tripe trotted out by people who pretend to know what they are talking about and so descend into insulting other peoples views ,as you always do , and for your information i have never defended any form of factory farming .Keeping a herd of cattle in a field is not factory farming and i don't buy factory farmed chickens or eggs .
What you need to do is stop being so insulting to posters who don't share the same views as you ,it shows a distinct lack of inteligence is very juvenile

Pot kettle black.

If you can't see the doubles standards and irony in your posts, we'll just have to leave it at that then.

tatty bye.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's wrong to chase down a wild fox for say a few hours, inhumanely (some would argue not) killing it with dogs for sport. If indeed you catch it.

But it's perfectly acceptable to keep domestic farm animals, in inhumane, miserable, depressing factory conditions for any length of time from which there is no escape, because eventually you're going to eat them, perhaps.

I'm not confusing the issue, because unlike yourself I haven't got conflicting principles.

Surely if you campaign for the rights of one animal to be treated humanely, then surely you should campaign for the rights of all animals to be treated humanely.......regardless of the situation be that hunting or farming. Or in your eyes should one animal have more rights than another?

You side stepped the angling point but I wont bother pursuing you on that.

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Does it taste different?

Make sure your not eating any halal meat then as well.

Apparently it does taste different and the average chase is 15 mins apparently.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Does it taste different?

Make sure your not eating any halal meat then as well.

Supposedly and I will take care about the halal meat.

You do seem a wee bit emotional about this issue if I may say so.

[dilli-theclaw]

I was born and raised in the country and indeed used to shoot foxes that were in the animal pens etc on the farm but I just wouldn't think of going out and 'hunting' foxes for 'fun' or any other animal for that matter. I don't see the need for it.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

You do seem a wee bit emotional about this issue if I may say so.

Not really, I just have 2no. Issues on it

1. On the reason the ban was brought in. I.e to stick two fingers up at the country toffs and sod all to do with the fox

2. People that have inconsistent values/ principles when it comes to the welfare of the fox over other animals

[Sirius]

Well i have been against blood sports since i was 14 and i don't see that changing any time soon and my feelings have been consistent

Those who take pleasure from a sport that allows animals to be ripped to shreds by a pack of dogs should not be classed as civilised.

Its funny how those who support the ripping apart of a fox for pleasure always try to turn the argument to fishing. I have never seen a fisherman use a pack of fish to rip apart another fish for the pleasure of themselves and others.

And just so people know i feel ALL bloodsports are wrong and should be banned