Bring Back Fox Hunting

[AdamD]

What Maggy said

[richard s]

Here here

The human race will be the vermin of the nea furture (over populated = no habitate = no food = more wars).

[Fawkes]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

All I want is for animals to be treated as animals ,not as qasi humans.I want them treated humanely and with respect.I however don't want to see people's livelihoods and interests interfered with either provided they treat the animals they deal with humanely.

Fishing is NOT a sport it is hunting for food.Fox hunting is not hunting for food it is a sport just as is badger baiting,dog fighting and cock fighting and all of the latter are illegal for good clear reasons.

However from time to time it may well be that us humans have to take responsibility for the welfare of the animals in our environment and that may mean killing them.As long as it is done with thoughtfulness and kindness and humanely I shouldn't think anyone can object.

It’s a pity more people don’t see it that way.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

It's not a sport, nor is it pest control, it's a country pursuit.

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I don't fox hunt, I never have, but if people want to saddle up and go for a ride with their dogs and kill a wild animal whilst they're out. Fine by me.

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You can keep your country pursuits, just take out the bit in bold.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

My main feeling on this is that foxes kill a lot of animals in the countryside, therefore it should be down to farmers to deal with them in the proper manner.

Farmers know there area, and if it has fox hunts then so be it, we should keep our noses out of business that doesn't concern us.

What people should be concentrating there energies on is the cruelty to animals such as dogs, cats and animals that are in the food chain that are treated with disgracefuul manner ie the pigs in the papers etc.

Foxes are vermin, its that simple and should be destroyed.

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's not a sport, nor is it pest control, it's a country pursuit.

One that has been banned because the after many years of campaigning because of the needless cruelty involved

I have stated my case that this was not a ban to save the poor fox, it was just an affront by the so called working class Labour party (which they are far from being) against the assumed rich country toffs.

That's just your opinion ,but whatever the reason for the ban it is a good thing.

And if fox hunting is banned, there are many other bloodsports and forms of hunting that should be banned also, but aren't. It's not equitable.

Yes it is .All hunting with dogs is banned ,including mink ,hares, deer and anything else you can think of .

And then you get all the city idiots, that know sod all about the countryside spouting their drivel, as the post I derided

I think you'll find a lot of the "city idiots" are much more informed than you give them credit for .

I eat fish line caught, trawled and farmed - First two of which are not a nice way for fish to end its life and the last not a nice way for fish to live, But neither do I campaign against that.

That's just an ignorant statement to make .Everything you just mentioned is food ,when was the last time you had a bit of fried fox .Hunting is meant to be a means of getting food as in fishing or deer stalking .Hunting is not leaving the prey in a field to rot after dogs have ripped it apart ,that is just mans abuse of animals

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

One that has been banned because the after many years of campaigning because of the needless cruelty involved

How cruel is being riddled with buckshot and taking days to die, how cruel is being hung up on a snare and having to chew your own paw of before bleeding to death, how cruel is poison, hunting seems pretty humane compared to them once you see past the bs spouted by these animal rights nuts, chased for 15 mins and then one dog bites your neck which is entirely what it boils down to on average.

That's just your opinion ,but whatever the reason for the ban it is a good thing.

and that's just your opinion, the legislation is flawed, the fox is still chased, hounds are still used, the only difference now is that instead of being more likely to escape the fox is shot.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

How cruel is being riddled with buckshot and taking days to die, how cruel is being hung up on a snare and having to chew your own paw of before bleeding to death, how cruel is poison, hunting seems pretty humane compared to them once you see past the bs spouted by these animal rights nuts, chased for 15 mins and then one dog bites your neck which is entirely what it boils down to on average.

Snaring a rabbit should be quite quick if done correctly and usually the hunter is in the near vicinity to deal with rabbit quickly ,i.e break it's neck

Being riddled with buckshot and taking days to die should not happen only careless hunters do that .I wouldn't use buckshot for a fox anyway totally inappropriate ,rifle everytime .Shotguns are for pheasants,rabbits and ducks which are collected quickly by a good dog and if not already dead made dead quickly by the huntsman .
I agree the legislation is flawed ,but that is no reason to repeal it,every reason to look closely at it and improve it

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

Snaring a rabbit should be quite quick if done correctly and usually the hunter is in the near vicinity to deal with rabbit quickly ,i.e break it's neck

Being riddled with buckshot and taking days to die should not happen only careless hunters do that .I wouldn't use buckshot for a fox anyway totally inappropriate ,rifle everytime .Shotguns are for pheasants,rabbits and ducks which are collected quickly by a good dog and if not already dead made dead quickly by the huntsman .
I agree the legislation is flawed ,but that is no reason to repeal it,every reason to look closely at it and improve it

If you Google fox caught in snare you get 914 000 hits with a load of videos included to boot, a foxes neck isn't broken and I'd say the majority of foxes shot are done so carelessly by peeved farmers rather than hunters.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

If you Google fox caught in snare you get 914 000 hits with a load of videos included to boot, a foxes neck isn't broken and I'd say the majority of foxes shot are done so carelessly by peeved farmers rather than hunters.

I'm not disagreeing ,foxes caught in snares may be accidental or it may be deliberate .It is not the best way to catch a fox for whatever reason .If you want to kill a fox then shoot it or catch it in a cage .Farmers tend to see foxes as "the enemy" mainly because they attack hens left unsecure in chicken runs and most farmers don't see why they should have to build a better one ,i mean the cheek of mother nature making chickens so tasty for foxes

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

I'm not disagreeing ,foxes caught in snares may be accidental or it may be deliberate .It is not the best way to catch a fox for whatever reason .If you want to kill a fox then shoot it or catch it in a cage .Farmers tend to see foxes as "the enemy" mainly because they attack hens left unsecure in chicken runs and most farmers don't see why they should have to build a better one ,i mean the cheek of mother nature making chickens so tasty for foxes

Some times even the best are unsecure for reasons beyond the owner, a friend of mine keeps loads of chickens in this sort of pyramid structure complete with electric fence and security guard, he came home one night to find the guard asleep and his fence unplugged so the guard could charge his phone, luckily none were missing but he wasn't amused, even less by how funny his wife and I thought it was.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Some times even the best are unsecure for reasons beyond the owner, a friend of mine keeps loads of chickens in this sort of pyramid structure complete with electric fence and security guard, he came home one night to find the guard asleep and his fence unplugged so the guard could charge his phone, luckily none were missing but he wasn't amused, even less by how funny his wife and I thought it was.

LOL ,the human componant strikes again

[Hom3r]

People don't realise what **** fox hunters are, when my mum was a little girl the **** ended up chasing a fox through their garden trashing it and the dogs killed there dog.

They didn't give a flying fig as they it was there god given right, her brother was in the army had he been at home he would have proberly shot the dogs.

These dog did to their dog what they do to a fox tear it to pieces.

[Fawkes]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

a friend of mine keeps loads of chickens in this sort of pyramid structure complete with electric fence and security guard

Your friend employs a security guard to protect his chickens from foxes?

Also I'd love to see a picture of this pyramid structure.

Is you friend a farmer or is this some kind of chicken temple?

Originally Posted by Hom3r

People don't realise what **** fox hunters are, when my mum was a little girl the **** ended up chasing a fox through their garden trashing it and the dogs killed there dog.

They didn't give a flying fig as they it was there god given right, her brother was in the army had he been at home he would have proberly shot the dogs.

These dog did to their dog what they do to a fox tear it to pieces.

That's the problem a lot of people don't realise ,the collateral damage to other animals and property ,including the horses

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Fawkes

Your friend employs a security guard to protect his chickens from foxes?

Also I'd love to see a picture of this pyramid structure.

Is you friend a farmer or is this some kind of chicken temple?

He's a business man with a lot of units on his land, the guard's there to protect all of it including the pyramid shaped chicken house.

You'll have to use your imagination re the pic, it's about the same size and obviously shape but it's solid wood rather than gappy with wire.