*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please. - Page 65

ian@huth · 04-03-2005, 16:19

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

It's possible it could occur in the future, I agree. But, not as of now, or any time soon. Of course ISPs will continue to upgrade equipment, so who knows, that day may never come.

P.S. the people who download a lot of illegal software are also not alone, but browsing in the middle of the night does not make you an average customer, hence your needs should not be catered for, going by your earlier logic.

ISPs will continue to upgrade equipment if they can afford to, but can they?

You have quoted one bit of my signature so I'll quote another. "There is no such thing as the average man (or woman)." Think about it.

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

No offense, but I trust Nildram's sums better than I trust your insanely 1 sided calculations. I don't see why it bothers you, you should be glad to see the back of heavy downloaders, why are you trying to convince people to stay with NTL? Also, I'm not one of those heavy downloaders.

Why are they insanely one sided? Just because they don't agree with your ideas doesn't make them wrong.

I am not trying to persaude anyone to stay with NTL, just trying to put balanced, researched points into a discussion that has too many badly thought out arguments.

Hans Gruber · 04-03-2005, 16:20

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

ISPs will continue to upgrade equipment if they can afford to, but can they?

Yes, unless you can prove otherwise. (Yes I said PROVE. Speculations counts for nothing, not in this game)

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You have quoted one bit of my signature so I'll quote another. "There is no such thing as the average man (or woman)." Think about it.

So what user is NTL catering for? If there is no average user what are they basing all these figures on? Condescension does not constitute a thoughtful post.

ian@huth · 04-03-2005, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Yes, unless you can prove otherwise. (Yes I said PROVE. Speculations counts for nothing, not in this game)

Have a look at the balance sheets of some of the ISPs, I have.

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

So what user is NTL catering for? If there is no average user what are they basing all these figures on? Condescension does not constitute a thoughtful post.

They are catering for the majority of their users, There are many posters have made that point, accept it.

Hans Gruber · 04-03-2005, 16:29

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

Have a look at the balance sheets of some of the ISPs, I have.

They are catering for the majority of their users, There are many posters have made that point, accept it.

What are you even argueing? I'm really not sure anymore. You seem to be hellbent on proving EVERY ISP that doesn't heavily cap is wrong. Just let them get on with it, if they go out of business due to not listening to you, so be it. You can sit in your smug chair and know you proved them all wrong.

ian@huth · 04-03-2005, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

What are you even argueing? I'm really not sure anymore. You seem to be hellbent on proving EVERY ISP that doesn't heavily cap is wrong. Just let them get on with it, if they go out of business due to not listening to you, so be it. You can sit in your smug chair and know you proved them all wrong.

Nothing of the sort.

I'm using years of experience to give my views on what is happening and will happen. Capping is only one aspect that an ISP has to consider. There are many other things to take into consideration, particularly market share and competition. For some ISPs capping could be a business threatening option at this time.

Now if you want a sensible discussion let's continue with one and listen to each others points and take heed of them. If you only want to preach how bad NTL are and how they are so wrong in what they are doing then say your piece and have done with it.

Hans Gruber · 04-03-2005, 16:48

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

Nothing of the sort.

I'm using years of experience to give my views on what is happening and will happen. Capping is only one aspect that an ISP has to consider. There are many other things to take into consideration, particularly market share and competition. For some ISPs capping could be a business threatening option at this time.

Now if you want a sensible discussion let's continue with one and listen to each others points and take heed of them. If you only want to preach how bad NTL are and how they are so wrong in what they are doing then say your piece and have done with it.

I would if I thought you had any intention of listening to what I was actually saying. :o

:edit: I thought that looked like a yawning smilie

ian@huth · 04-03-2005, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

I would if I thought you had any intention of listening to what I was actually saying. :o

:edit: I thought that looked like a yawning smilie

I listen, evaluate and respond.

No need to feel embarrassed, there's more than you like to argue black is white.

Let's stick to sensible discussion now.

**Maggy** · 04-03-2005, 17:00

Hi I can see that you two are very passionate about this.How about you two take this to PM's?

Otherwise if it gets too heated it will go the way of other cap threads and be closed as ian@huth knows only too well.

Hans Gruber · 04-03-2005, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Hi I can see that you two are very passionate about this.How about you two take this to PM's?

Otherwise if it gets too heated it will go the way of other cap threads and be closed as ian@huth knows only too well.

Don't worry, it's pointless talking to him. I'm done for today. There's plenty of brickwalls I could be talking to in my home. [insert patronising smilie here]

DieDieMyDarling · 04-03-2005, 17:02

I have to say i agree with Hans, you've become a parody of yourself Ian@huth. You've defended ntl on everything you possibly can, in a lot of cases even when they can't be defended. You're the fanboy to beat all fanboys.

You do have some good points, and you do know what you're talking about, but you don't listen to other peoples arguments, nor take them into consideration. In some cases those arguments are very good, and very well put. And most annoyingly, you sound like you'd die for ntl, rather than admit they've ever done anything wrong.

ozziestu · 04-03-2005, 17:08

D'you what's really bloody annoying is not the caps but the incredible crap thats spouted from so called experts from both sides.

The impression i've had from this and other cap threads is so many people are so far up their own backsides they can't see the wood for the trees.

I don't post here very often but i visit every day without fail and for a change i decided to put in my tuppence worth with what I thought was a reaonable assessment of the current situation as I see it. I thought, it would be good to turn this thread into something more positive so people might discuss something rather than bicker. PAH - my post was ignored and followed by a pair of bickering children who cannot agree to disagree and that is the way almost all threads on this subject seems to go.

I have to say i'm disappointed and will probably side step this whole cap thing and would urge the mods to look into this whole issue.

You don't exactly make new(ish) posters welcome do you? Make new people feel like posting on here instead of slating each other all the time. You never know one day you'll wake up to the fact that there is a life outside Ntl.

Jesus people - grow up!

Nemesis · 04-03-2005, 17:11

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Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling

I have to say i agree with Hans, you've become a parody of yourself Ian@huth. You've defended ntl on everything you possibly can, in a lot of cases even when they can't be defended. You're the fanboy to beat all fanboys.

You do have some good points, and you do know what you're talking about, but you don't listen to other peoples arguments, nor take them into consideration. In some cases those arguments are very good, and very well put. And most annoyingly, you sound like you'd die for ntl, rather than admit they've ever done anything wrong.

Don't start ........

Neil · 04-03-2005, 17:13

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Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling

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Enough-one more personal comment, & your posting rights will be suspended.

**Maggy** · 04-03-2005, 17:13

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Originally Posted by ozziestu

D'you what's really bloody annoying is not the caps but the incredible crap thats spouted from so called experts from both sides.

The impression i've had from this and other cap threads is so many people are so far up their own backsides they can't see the wood for the trees.

I don't post here very often but i visit every day without fail and for a change i decided to put in my tuppence worth with what I thought was a reaonable assessment of the current situation as I see it. I thought, it would be good to turn this thread into something more positive so people might discuss something rather than bicker. PAH - my post was ignored and followed by a pair of bickering children who cannot agree to disagree and that is the way almost all threads on this subject seems to go.

I have to say i'm disappointed and will probably side step this whole cap thing and would urge the mods to look into this whole issue.

You don't exactly make new(ish) posters welcome do you? Make new people feel like posting on here instead of slating each other all the time. You never know one day you'll wake up to the fact that there is a life outside Ntl.

Jesus people - grow up!

Nemesis · 04-03-2005, 17:14

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Originally Posted by ozziestu

D'you what's really bloody annoying is not the caps but the incredible crap thats spouted from so called experts from both sides.

The impression i've had from this and other cap threads is so many people are so far up their own backsides they can't see the wood for the trees.

I don't post here very often but i visit every day without fail and for a change i decided to put in my tuppence worth with what I thought was a reaonable assessment of the current situation as I see it. I thought, it would be good to turn this thread into something more positive so people might discuss something rather than bicker. PAH - my post was ignored and followed by a pair of bickering children who cannot agree to disagree and that is the way almost all threads on this subject seems to go.

I have to say i'm disappointed and will probably side step this whole cap thing and would urge the mods to look into this whole issue.

You don't exactly make new(ish) posters welcome do you? Make new people feel like posting on here instead of slating each other all the time. You never know one day you'll wake up to the fact that there is a life outside Ntl.

Jesus people - grow up!

I can only apologise for the behaviour ..... yes it does get heated, but when it starts getting personal, we do get involved.