smoking and the pub

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Russ D

My challenge that Slackdad failed in also goes out to you: find a non-smoking pub in Swansea or Port Talbot please

Is 90% good enough?

http://pub-explorer.com/southwales/p...llansamlet.htm

Still 1 doesn't exactly give you much choice though does it?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ D

The Lounge, and a few pages back I supplied the link which showed it closed earlier this year.

My challenge is still open to bidders from the "there are plenty of non-smoking establishments around" brigade.

Did it close or did it just do a U turn because it couldn't afford to stay open as a non-smoking establishment?
Surely the argument that there are loads of people just dying to go to the pub but don't want to put up with smoke is shot down in, um, smoke, by that pub moving from non-smoking to smoking?
If the majority of the population are non smokers who want to go to the pub but don't because of smokers, then that place should have been packed.

As for complaining that the nearest one now is 20 miles away, the nearest good restaurant (non-smoking of course), or cinema for that matter is about 20 miles away from me (1hr round trip) and I do it because it's my choice.
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Originally Posted by clarie

Oh come off it Xaccers if you are being serious you are clutching at straws to say the least....As well you know smoking leads to a million and one problems besides increased blood pressure...

In fact I am not even going to go there, you know this is a ridiculous comparison to make.

No, the comparison you are trying to make is rediculous, that one give more health issues than the other.
The comparison I'm making is that they both give health issues, but in both cases, you and I have the choice to expose ourselves to those risks or not.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Did it close or did it just do a U turn because it couldn't afford to stay open as a non-smoking establishment?
Surely the argument that there are loads of people just dying to go to the pub but don't want to put up with smoke is shot down in, um, smoke, by that pub moving from non-smoking to smoking?
If the majority of the population are non smokers who want to go to the pub but don't because of smokers, then that place should have been packed.

It closed but was bought out and they put all the old staff back in - and you may well have a point about that aspect of the argument being shot down but at the same time the argument of "stop complaining, there are enough non-smoking pubs around" must also be shot down. But bear in mind also that Swansea Council failed offer it support in the way it has totally blitzed the rest of Wind Street with financial packages.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

As for complaining that the nearest one now is 20 miles away, the nearest good restaurant (non-smoking of course), or cinema for that matter is about 20 miles away from me (1hr round trip) and I do it because it's my choice.

Fine - I'm in the camp of "more choice" than "outright ban" - I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies of many smokers' points.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ D

It closed but was bought out and they put all the old staff back in - and you may well have a point about that aspect of the argument being shot down but at the same time the argument of "stop complaining, there are enough non-smoking pubs around" must also be shot down. But bear in mind also that Swansea Council failed offer it support in the way it has totally blitzed the rest of Wind Street with financial packages.

I'd love there to be an airsoft site right on my doorstep rather than paintball sites.
Now, because there is a greater demand for paintball sites, there are more of those closer to me.
If demand for airsoft was equal too or outstripped that of paintball, then there would be more airsoft sites.
However, no matter how much I'd love there to be an airsoft site on my doorstep, I would not want legislation to be brought in to provide this.

Similarly, with non-smoking establishments, if there was sufficient demand for it, then no smoking pubs would be able to survive.
As it stands, the demand for a smoking, or smoking with no-smoking area establishments outweighs all others.

[Russ]

My own feeling to that would be that the need for a safer, cleaner environment for people like me to socialise outweighs all others but I guess that doesn't count.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ D

My own feeling to that would be that the need for a safer, cleaner environment for people like me to socialise outweighs all others but I guess that doesn't count.

Do you have to go to a pub to socialise?
Why not have dinner parties, or evenings around friends' houses?
Is there no social club linked to your church?
The choices are endless.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Do you have to go to a pub to socialise?

I don't have to - in as much as all I have to do is eat, drink, breathe etc but I'd like to - plus I work in a social club too, whether I'm behind the bar or doing a DJ set.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Why not have dinner parties, or evenings around friends' houses?

Valid point - but it's nice when we can all relax without or (or two) people needing to be hosts.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Is there no social club linked to your church?

No, it's a very small church.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The choices are endless.

Hmmm....

[clarie]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Do you have to go to a pub to socialise?
Why not have dinner parties, or evenings around friends' houses?
Is there no social club linked to your church?
The choices are endless.

But why should the pubs be reserved for smokers?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

No, the comparison you are trying to make is rediculous, that one give more health issues than the other.
The comparison I'm making is that they both give health issues, but in both cases, you and I have the choice to expose ourselves to those risks or not.

The two things you are comparing are not comparable. You may wish not to listen to hardcore music, but if you do, you will not be exposed to dangerous substances. You may feel a little stressed, but then I am sure many of things stress you out in life, this being of the least consequence. The direct impact on your physical health has not been proven to be sufficiently great to introduce a ban on certain types of music. End of story.

[Chris W]

Originally Posted by Russ D

My challenge that Slackdad failed in also goes out to you: find a non-smoking pub in Swansea or Port Talbot please

There is one on Wind Street... can't remember the name of it, but it is on the opposite side to Lloyds bar... is it called Bar One or something? never been in there so can't remember the name!!

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Chris W

There is one on Wind Street... can't remember the name of it, but it is on the opposite side to Lloyds bar... is it called Bar One or something? never been in there so can't remember the name!!

Yep - and for the third time in this thread is was called The Lounge, but it closed down earlier this year!

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by clarie

But why should the pubs be reserved for smokers?

They aren't, non smokers are free to choose to enter a smoking pub. It's totally up to you if you want to or not, the landlord doesn't inform the doorstaff to not allow non-smokers to enter.

Originally Posted by clarie

The two things you are comparing are not comparable. You may wish not to listen to hardcore music, but if you do, you will not be exposed to dangerous substances. You may feel a little stressed, but then I am sure many of things stress you out in life, this being of the least consequence. The direct impact on your physical health has not been proven to be sufficiently great to introduce a ban on certain types of music. End of story.

The two things I'm comparing are comparable, hence why I'm comparing them.
You however want me to be trying to compare two uncomparable aspects of those things, which I will not do to satisfy you.
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Originally Posted by Russ D

Yep - and for the third time in this thread is was called The Lounge, but it closed down earlier this year!

Because not enough non-smokers went there...

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Because not enough non-smokers went there...

Or you could show the full picture - it was constantly overlooked for business aid and other financial packages from the Welsh Assembly and Swansea Council.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Or you could show the full picture - it was constantly overlooked for business aid and other financial packages from the Welsh Assembly and Swansea Council.

however if there had been a sufficient client base, it would have been a financially viable venture, and therefore not required any aid.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

however if there had been a sufficient client base, it would have been a financially viable venture, and therefore not required any aid.

Xaccers just accept you nothing about the circumstances surrounding The Lounge.

The aid packages in question are offered to any business seen to be at a distinct disavantage in the Swansea area. The Lounge was overlooked on 4 occasions.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Xaccers just accept you nothing about the circumstances surrounding The Lounge.

The aid packages in question are offered to any business seen to be at a distinct disavantage in the Swansea area. The Lounge was overlooked on 4 occasions.

I just find it strange that they would have been able to set up a business with financial backing from a bank on the premiss that their business could not succeed unless they got an aid package.
Have the new owners recieved aid packages?