*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please. - Page 61

23-02-2005, 16:30

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Originally Posted by philquinney

One possible explanation is that you could use your connection to view the trailer / advert for Spiderman or any other movie for that matter.

Not that I disagree with you all - but its a possible explanation...

Phil.

The wording on the flyer certainly "suggested" that it would be the full movie that you could download.

But this is all a bit of a distraction, so let's swing this back around to films that you *can* legally download. I've been grabbing stuff from archive.org recently, and some of those files aren`t that small.

**Chris** · 23-02-2005, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by philquinney

One possible explanation is that you could use your connection to view the trailer / advert for Spiderman or any other movie for that matter.

Not that I disagree with you all - but its a possible explanation...

Phil.

In fact, when some of us shopped NTL to the ASA over this, NTL got away with rapped knuckles by claiming exactly that.

And the ASA believed them. Fools.

jtwn · 23-02-2005, 17:36

You bunch of dobbers!! lol!

Earwig · 23-02-2005, 18:51

My posts are usually long but this will be nice and short for you....

I just wish that NTL would take the bull by the horns and start to lead the U.K forward in the broadband revolution.

They are so well placed to do it with owning their own network and having such a vast area of possible subscribers. If they were to offer packages to suit everyone and not just the browsers and emailers they would be so dominant.

Instead they feel more than happy to let other I.S.P's take on the "Heavy" user.

With the way the broadband service is going at the moment many more people will use the internet to it's fullest uses and gain much more from it.
Those I.S.P's that are currently embracing this and taking the "Heavy" users who in 6 months time will be considered "Average" users due to advancements in internet content will surely benefit from their actions NOW.

The question is will what NTL are doing at the moment affect them in the future? And how many people that can see the potential of broadband and leave for another I.S.P offering these so called "Future" Now will go through the hassle of returning to NTL if and when they start to catch up with these advancements?
It may prove all to late.....

dan23_4 · 23-02-2005, 22:03

hi all, i have been following this with interest know over the last few months and if ntl do cap there connections eg my 1.5 mb connection then i am off.
Ill get rid of there tv package and phone package as well and get another broadband provider off bt with the same speed or more with no cap.
My cousion works for ntl and if he can confirm the cap on that date ill end my contract with them and get a bt line installed as soon as possible and use one of the many providers out there using bt. Plus ill just sign up to a sky + package and still get the same stuff.
After speaking to a lot of people yes a lot of us do download over 30 gigs of stuff a month and we all know its either through p2p or mirc, or other ftp usage and the feeling is the same cap it and we move. Not just the bb but everything else as well i know i will its consumers choice and i will be using that to move to a diffrent provider.
regards
Dan

Earwig · 23-02-2005, 23:28

What I do not get is they say that they will not enforce the cap straight away?

Was I right in reading this? If so why?

To lure us all into contracts for 12 months so we have no optoins?

Surely that would mean I would have to sign again for these "New" T&C's?? Or could they just take it as "He has not cancelled so will renew anyway?"

If this is the case then I need to cancel now to avoid being stung by the caps..

Tezcatlipoca · 23-02-2005, 23:34

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Originally Posted by Earwig

What I do not get is they say that they will not enforce the cap straight away?

Was I right in reading this? If so why?

Maybe they simply don't yet have the means to enforce a hard cap.

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Originally Posted by Earwig

To lure us all into contracts for 12 months so we have no optoins?

Surely that would mean I would have to sign again for these "New" T&C's?? Or could they just take it as "He has not cancelled so will renew anyway?"

If this is the case then I need to cancel now to avoid being stung by the caps..

How long have you been with ntl? If/when they implement hard capping, it won't mean you have a new 12 month contract. If you've had ntl for over 12 months already, then if you want to cancel you simply give them 30 days notice (provided you can get through to Retentions of course

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Horace · 24-02-2005, 04:47

So..anyone know if the caps will be daily or monthly? Maybe the original source of speed/caps news could inform us.
Also, will it be calender monthly or 30 days monthly? It'll important to be able to to work out on 31 day months what we have left of the 1.33gig or 1.29gig total (for the 3mb users at least) as it comes close to midnight, assuming it is midnight, you never know it could be 4am or 7pm at night knowing NTL. Imagine that..the Mrs and kids have been using the connection all day and you come back from work and you're on 56k speeds, lovely.

~Dan~ · 24-02-2005, 05:48

I just read the first 5 and then skipped to the last 5 pages of this thread, so forgive me if I'm going over old ground here.

A few posts caught my eye so I'll comment, and add a few (possibly rhetorical) questions (as it still seems like there's no firm news on this).

Matth said:
"What was the "lite" tier at 300k, moves to 1Mbit, and since that is a throughput that cost ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£34.99 not so long ago, at ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£17.99 it gets a 5Gb cap to make it a "lite" service."

So, if people on 300k get bumped up to 1Mbit they'll get a 5gb a month cap forced on them? Surely that means they're not getting the service they first subscribed to? Won't the people getting the speed increases be required to sign a new contract? What if they refuse to sign the new contract. Would they stay with what they have or be thrown off?

Ignition
"Just a reminded though it's been done to death, when you order the upgrade you are agreeing to a transfer limit of 40GB a month. This isn't a guideline it's a fixed transfer allowance."

So when you order an upgrade you are agreeing to the new limit. That makes sense. The people who are being bumped up from 300k to 1Mbit aren't agreeing to it though, so back to my previous point.

dellwear mentioned https://secure.ntlfreedom.com/htmlfiles/5gb.htm

5gb a month doesn't look good, but there's also this - https://secure.ntlfreedom.com/bundle...ndClassic.aspx
"Unlimited service - with no download limits on your Broadband usage"
"Unlimited anytime high-speed 512K Broadband"

That's faster than the 300k service I have now!

Horace · 24-02-2005, 09:35

Apparently you can stay on 300k if you want , the other 2 packages are automatically upgraded.

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Originally Posted by ~Dan~

5gb a month doesn't look good, but there's also this - https://secure.ntlfreedom.com/bundl...andClassic.aspx

That's NTL's ADSL version. It won't let you sign up if you live in a cabled area. Strange that people keep stating all DSL providers have or will have usage limits yet NTL's DSL doesn't. Oh the irony.

ian@huth · 24-02-2005, 11:04

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Originally Posted by Horace

Apparently you can stay on 300k if you want , the other 2 packages are automatically upgraded.

That's NTL's ADSL version. It won't let you sign up if you live in a cabled area. Strange that people keep stating all DSL providers have or will have usage limits yet NTL's DSL doesn't. Oh the irony.

The ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£24.99 per month for 512k broadband and unlimited free calls to UK geographic numbers looks a real bargain if you are off net. https://secure.ntlfreedom.com/bundle...dUnltd247.aspx

Maybe NTL offer unlimited broadband traffic on Freedom ADSL because it is not their network that is being used and they wouldn't mind seeing it creaking at the seams whilst telling the customer "It's not our fault, it's BT's".

ynwa · 24-02-2005, 12:55

Apparently Pipex will be doing something similar to NTL with regards to free speed increases. They will also be trialing an 8mb service. They stress that there will be NO cap or restrictions on their lines.

Full story here: http://www.pipex.net/investors/press...age.php?id=198

~Dan~ · 24-02-2005, 16:11

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Originally Posted by Horace

Apparently you can stay on 300k if you want , the other 2 packages are automatically upgraded.

Surely to be automatically upgraded - and to then have a cap forced on you - is unethical as you didn't agree to a cap when you originally signed up. Won't the upgraded people be required to sign a new contract agreeing to the new terms and conditions?

Neil · 24-02-2005, 16:14

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Originally Posted by ynwa

Apparently Pipex will be doing something similar to NTL with regards to free speed increases. They will also be trialing an 8mb service. They stress that there will be NO cap or restrictions on their lines.

Full story here: http://www.pipex.net/investors/press...age.php?id=198

Already being discussed here.

ian@huth · 24-02-2005, 17:31

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Originally Posted by ~Dan~

Surely to be automatically upgraded - and to then have a cap forced on you - is unethical as you didn't agree to a cap when you originally signed up. Won't the upgraded people be required to sign a new contract agreeing to the new terms and conditions?

No, NTL are quite free to change the content and terms and conditions of packages. If these changes are material changes then you have the right to cancel your contract in accordance with its T&Cs.