Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

[Flubflow]

Originally Posted by pem

Um, says who ? Works just fine here. It taught my children that if they badly misbehaved they would be punished. As a result they have learned good behavior from bad.

As for those of you who don't agree with it then fine - that's up to you - there is no need to be insulting because people disagree with you - if that is how it is going to progress in here then I'm outta here.

Just think how much better it would be if they learned good from good instead.

I don't see how I am being even remotely insulting. I'm just telling it like it is. It must satisfy someone to smack their child in the sense that they believe they have done a grand job in discipline. If there was no satisfaction then you wouldn't do it. I would like to think that all you pro-smackers can understand that the ideal goal would be to make the time and effort to explore other forms of punishment or rather education which does not involve the reactionary infliction of pain or humiliation and does not perpetuate smacking for another few thousands years or so.

[Stuartbe]

Originally Posted by Flubflow

Just think how much better it would be if they learned good from good instead.

I don't see how I am being even remotely insulting. I'm just telling it like it is. It must satisfy someone to smack their child in the sense that they believe they have done a grand job in discipline. If there was no satisfaction then you wouldn't do it. I would like to think that all you pro-smackers can understand that the ideal goal would be to make the time and effort to explore other forms of punishment or rather education which does not involve the reactionary infliction of pain or humiliation and does not perpetuate smacking for another few thousands years or so.

I agree - I (and pem) have said that it is used as the very last resort !

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by stuartbe

Great -

The child gets locked up in a young ofenders institute. There he can learn how to be an even better criminal from the other kids........

Sorry m8 - It does not work - The child will come out of prison worse than he went in.

This is my last comment for the day on this, who say's they get locked up? Let's be honest, if they are repeatedly caught then that IS where they'll end up, the parent has no choice. You are merely speculating that smacking a child is going to prevent them from a life of crime and unless you have something substantial other than your own personal experience to back that up then you're proving nothing.

Anyhoo, dinner time, later!

[Stuartbe]

Originally Posted by Bifta

This is my last comment for the day on this, who say's they get locked up? Let's be honest, if they are repeatedly caught then that IS where they'll end up, the parent has no choice. You are merely speculating that smacking a child is going to prevent them from a life of crime and unless you have something substantial other than your own personal experience to back that up then you're proving nothing.

Anyhoo, dinner time, later!

No - I am saying that there is no such thing as a bad child. Most of the children in these places have had paprents that could not care less about them.

I am saying that children need dicipline and love balanced in there life.

Have a nice dinner btw m8

Well the simple fact is that we will never all agree. But, having read all the posts in here I haven't come across one suggestion of an alternative punishment yet.

FYI, I also use groundings, loss of tv and pocket money fines, especially on the older two for who I would agree, spanking is not a very effective or useful punishment now (in fact, I don't think I have smacked either of them more than twice in the last few years, or the youngest for year or more now - shouting is usually is enough for her).

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by pem

Well the simple fact is that we will never all agree. But, having read all the posts in here I haven't come across one suggestion of an alternative punishment yet.

FYI, I also use groundings, loss of tv and pocket money fines, especially on the older two for who I would agree, spanking is not a very effective or useful punishment now (in fact, I don't think I have smacked either of them more than twice in the last few years, or the youngest for year or more now - shouting is usually is enough for her).

Now shouting is something that I never do, I think it's bad to show a loss of control like that. But lets not even go there

[Flubflow]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Now shouting is something that I never do, I think it's bad to show a loss of control like that. But lets not even go there

Some people like to show that they've really lost control by shouting and smacking at the same time, in the rythm of the argument, like you sometimes see in supermarkets and toy stores (although not very often thankfully).
i.e. "HOW <smack> MANY <smack> TIMES <smack> HAVE <smack> I <smack> TOLD <smack>YOU <smack> ......etc

[Stuartbe]

Originally Posted by Flubflow

Some people like to show that they've really lost control by shouting and smacking at the same time, in the rythm of the argument, like you sometimes see in supermarkets and toy stores (although not very often thankfully).
i.e. "HOW <smack> MANY <smack> TIMES <smack> HAVE <smack> I <smack> TOLD <smack>YOU <smack> ......etc

Now that is wrong.... Punishment of any form should be done in the home - not in public.

Originally Posted by Flubflow

Some people like to show that they've really lost control by shouting and smacking at the same time, in the rythm of the argument, like you sometimes see in supermarkets and toy stores (although not very often thankfully).
i.e. "HOW <smack> MANY <smack> TIMES <smack> HAVE <smack> I <smack> TOLD <smack>YOU <smack> ......etc

Reminds me of Billy Connelly's description of when he got 'chastised' as a child.Only he could find humour in that.

[Russ]

I remember Dave Allen's joke about the parent who found his son bullying a smaller child, so he took him to one side, clipped him across the head and said, "You do NOT hit people smaller than yourself!"

[Flubflow]

Originally Posted by stuartbe

Now that is wrong.... Punishment of any form should be done in the home - not in public.

Can't help thinking that if those parents happily smack their kids in public then how much worse it must be for them at home behind closed doors.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Flubflow

Can't help thinking that if those parents happily smack their kids in public then how much worse it must be for them at home behind closed doors.

yup...

[Florence]

I work in school and have to agree that some form of deterrent is needed. Todayââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s children are more aggressive than ever. Many have behavior problems and a lot start school with no social skills unable to communicate with other pupils because they have been left sat in front of a TV most of the time without any parental involvement.

At my school we have a large amount of children that are disruptive in class this makes teaching very difficult especially with todayââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s methods of teaching where time is important and many subjects have no time to be revisited. I actual work with small groups that need additional help out of my two groups there are two children that misbehave. I have tried treats like extra free time, treats as in sweets and prizes for good work, my latest one is the collect over three days vouchers for 30 mins in the computer suit on a Monday morning while I am typing up my lesson plans instead of sitting on the floor in the hall in assembly. We have used treats to get good behavior but the children who are good feel this is not fait and they are correct. Parents donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t really care most will send the child back into school the next day after we have sent them home ill. We have sent children home every day for a week as they was ill but the child was always back next day still ill. Some parents tell the children after an accident at home to tell us the next morning and we will sort them out. Some children would respond to the thought of being caned where the threat of being sent home fails. When it comes to the end these disruptive children are not learning anything so they will fail their exams and perhaps stay away from high school due to being unable to read and write properly. We cannot force them to learn under the present educational rules. I love my work but recently it has become harder to do and as the next batch is in infants you can see more of these children with behavior problems

Originally Posted by Julian

The schools don't need the cane or whatever... they only need the full support of parents in disciplinary matters.

Yes but parents are not the same if you have parents from the poorer areas these children have been street wise from 5 yrs old and swear like troupers already. All the parents want is a quiet life with the kids in school.

Originally Posted by Julian

When I was at school, the cane was still in use. It wasn't the thought of the cane that acted as a deterrent - it was what would happen when my parents found out.

Yes we did run scared from parent s knowing

Originally Posted by Julian

The most disruptive pupils are usually the ones whose parents march up to the school when their precious innocent little ones have been out of order, with the sole intention of undermining the teachers authority.

Or never come near when sent for and tell the children to ignore the teachers we have had this said to us.

Originally Posted by pem

Well that may be your opinion, but it is not shared by me. As far as I am concerned inflicting pain is a form of punishment, just like many others I use - and has been sucessfully used by millions of parents for thousands of years.

Well said I was only ever hit once by my mother I vowed I would never again need her to hit me and she never had to..

Sorry for the long post but it was needed and I will not be reposting in this thread. Todays children are raised by the television and until someone makes the television into a robot to interact with children. These very children will be disruptive, hard to communicate and unable to follow rules.

Originally Posted by Kitty

I work in school and have to agree that some form of deterrent is needed. Todayââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s children are more aggressive than ever. Many have behavior problems and a lot start school with no social skills unable to communicate with other pupils because they have been left sat in front of a TV most of the time without any parental involvement.

At my school we have a large amount of children that are disruptive in class this makes teaching very difficult especially with todayââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s methods of teaching where time is important and many subjects have no time to be revisited. I actual work with small groups that need additional help out of my two groups there are two children that misbehave. I have tried treats like extra free time, treats as in sweets and prizes for good work, my latest one is the collect over three days vouchers for 30 mins in the computer suit on a Monday morning while I am typing up my lesson plans instead of sitting on the floor in the hall in assembly. We have used treats to get good behavior but the children who are good feel this is not fait and they are correct. Parents donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t really care most will send the child back into school the next day after we have sent them home ill. We have sent children home every day for a week as they was ill but the child was always back next day still ill. Some parents tell the children after an accident at home to tell us the next morning and we will sort them out. Some children would respond to the thought of being caned where the threat of being sent home fails. When it comes to the end these disruptive children are not learning anything so they will fail their exams and perhaps stay away from high school due to being unable to read and write properly. We cannot force them to learn under the present educational rules. I love my work but recently it has become harder to do and as the next batch is in infants you can see more of these children with behavior problems



Yes but parents are not the same if you have parents from the poorer areas these children have been street wise from 5 yrs old and swear like troupers already. All the parents want is a quiet life with the kids in school.


Yes we did run scared from parent s knowing


Or never come near when sent for and tell the children to ignore the teachers we have had this said to us.








Well said I was only ever hit once by my mother I vowed I would never again need her to hit me and she never had to..

Sorry for the long post but it was needed and I will not be reposting in this thread. Todays children are raised by the television and until someone makes the television into a robot to interact with children. These very children will be disruptive, hard to communicate and unable to follow rules.

It also doesn't help that just about every other child appears to suffer from that recent phenomenen Attention Deficit Disorder and are on ritilin.It only takes ONE child with this disorder and the class is wrecked.

[Ramrod]

So basically we are up sh*t street then?
Through lack of effective control they get expelled, repeatedly. Then the leave school without qualifications and are unemployable and go on the dole/get into crime, either way they are a burden to the state and society. Then we have to jail/rehabilitate them. My social worker and teacher patients all tell the same story