[Merged] Car Phone Warehouse BB

[etccarmageddon]

ukonline is the company sky have taken over - they will be packaged with SKY by the end of this year in theory. also it's been suggested premium sky subscribers will get broadband via ukonline free.

[IanUK]

Value isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t just about price and we have become the UKââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s biggest broadband provider by offering quality and reliability, peace of mind with online protection, the convenience of installation by an engineer and the freedom of unlimited access.

Unlimited eh, Can I take this as proof from an NTL employee (nay even a director) that my 10 meg connection is unlimited now then ?

Originally Posted by Jack001

If you use P2P or Newsgroups, don't bother going to UK Online, they block them full stop.

I find that very hard to believe as i have used there connection and you can certainly download from Newshosting.com at full speed ?. It does say on there website that they do not PROVIDE newsgroup access but they do not block it. Also if they did block them full stop i am sure there would be uproar on the Adsl forums about it. Do you have a link that will prove it.

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Value isn’t just about price and we have become the UK’s biggest broadband provider by offering quality and reliability

If you look at my speed you would not say that.

[Shaun]

Is there any reason this thread isn't showing on the main NTHW page? Or am I missing something?

[cookie_365]

Originally Posted by DaggaDagga

I managed to read their FAQs before their website got over-busy (a sure sign that NTL for one are going to lose a chunk of customers).

It's an NTL-style CAP. In other words, only a problem if you regularly exceed it. There is no mention of extra charges. They reserve the right to close accounts of people who regularly exceed it.

All sounds very reasonable to me. There really isn't a catch.

This, for the first time, is broadband that would be affordable for the likes of my mum, who only occasionally uses the net. At this price, you may as well have it.

That's not the way I read it. The T&Cs mention the fair usage policy and then say that they have also imposed the 40GB cap. So they can limit your usage even if you're within the cap.

My guess is that they'll hire the minimum bandwidth they possibly can - and share it out amongs millions of people who haven't read the T&Cs.

It'd be good for the market if they can get this working with reasonable speeds for most people - but I'm not convinced

[paul11974]

Originally Posted by King Of Fools

But that would be against the BT terms and conditions as you should not touch anything between the internal master socket and the BT exchange.

Also, it is more than just a wire as you will also need a BT master socket (with internal electronics) and I do not know if you can buy one.

i can see the old bt cable outside the house but it has been cut in the middle

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

ukonline is the company sky have taken over - they will be packaged with SKY by the end of this year in theory. also it's been suggested premium sky subscribers will get broadband via ukonline free.

so sky will become a double player tv and bb

[Zee]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Is there any reason this thread isn't showing on the main NTHW page? Or am I missing something?

I think only things in the NTL and telewest part of the forum show up there ..

[King Of Fools]

Originally Posted by paul11974

i can see the old bt cable outside the house but it has been cut in the middle

Where has it been cut?

Usually a wire goes:
1) from the street to a junction box on the house.
2) then from the junction box into the house to a master socket.
3) then (an) optional wire(s) from the master socket to any extensions.

If the wire has been cut in (1) or (2) this will require a new BT installation at £99.

[paul11974]

Originally Posted by King Of Fools

Where has it been cut?

Usually a wire goes:
1) from the street to a junction box on the house.
2) then from the junction box into the house to a master socket.
3) then (an) optional wire(s) from the master socket to any extensions.

If the wire has been cut in (1) or (2) this will require a new BT installation at £99.

no2 why could this not be done by myself ?

[Chris W]

Originally Posted by paul11974

no2 why could this not be done by myself ?

because it is illegal to tamper with anything from the master socket outwards

[paul11974]

Originally Posted by Chris W

because it is illegal to tamper with anything from the master socket outwards

but i wont tell them will you ?

[DaggaDagga]

Originally Posted by James Henry

You'd be surprised what you can get out of a shared network, ever heard of ethernet? Even fibre to the home is a shared network ya know

Ethernet is switched unless you're using antique hubs, which nobody does any more - for very good reason.

Obviously there is always contention somewhere along the line (or we'd have an internet each!), but the point is that in BT's system it's much simpler to add capacity at the core of the network if it's needed. Each subscriber has their own bit of wire. OK, it's only twisted pair, but it doesn't carry anyone else's data. With NTL's system, it's better cable but the capacity is shared right to the end point.
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Originally Posted by paul11974

but i wont tell them will you ?

Hehehe

Have a look here. It's gonna cost you all of £1.80 + VAT.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/GP31A.html

There's a link at the bottom-right to very detailed instructions on how to restore your connection. BT are far less paranoid than NTL. If you bugger it up then you only break your own connection, not half the town's.

Search for "master socket". There are surface and flush mount, single and double ones. Double is very handy for your new free ADSL line.

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by DaggaDagga

Ethernet is switched unless you're using antique hubs, which nobody does any more - for very good reason.

I was using it purely as an example Still a crunch point at the trunk port on the switch though.

I see what you're trying to say however BT have backhaul issues same as ntl and these aren't solved immediately. Due to the nature of the BT kit it can require kit replacement to resolve issues. Some exchanges once they fill their existing capacity will require quite extensive work to upgrade.

Once BT's 21CN project is completed upgrading backhaul should be trivial, however ntl have also been upgrading and some of these upgrades have made future upgrading easier.

As I said even fibre to the home is a shared passively optically split media.

[paul11974]

Originally Posted by DaggaDagga

Hehehe

Have a look here. It's gonna cost you all of £1.80 + VAT.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/GP31A.html

There's a link at the bottom-right to very detailed instructions on how to restore your connection. BT are far less paranoid than NTL. If you bugger it up then you only break your own connection, not half the town's.

Search for "master socket". There are surface and flush mount, single and double ones. Double is very handy for your new free ADSL line.

you mean this one http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technica...one_Wiring.htm

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by paul11974

so sky will become a double player tv and bb

no, triple - also phone line.