10 meg unlimited?

[Chrysalis]

jtwn - good for you, we know you are one of a small % of customers who get a perfect service but you seem oblivious that ntl have some severe problems in some areas. Shaping will happen its a question of when. Knowing ntl tho I can see the 10meg customers get shafted on the shaping and the bottom 2 tiers only having a minimal affect.

Regarding hdtv, the .us hdtv I download is superior to tv I watch on my ntl service in both sound and picture.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jtwn

Well thats nice but I'd just like you to know I can still dl at 10mbit or near enough pretty much anytime I want.

Ah-that's ok then.....

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by jtwn

The key word being like. I was watching a performance at the grammys and the bitrate for the most part was in single figures. Black levels were pretty high but the difference between that and other broadcasters (Euro1080i) / demos was glaringly obvious. I do believe that US cablecos do broadcast at VBR, as when at the end there was panning of the audience it went up to 14,15mbps, but that was probably just to stop it turning into a blockfest. Its kind of depressing when Live 8 was broadcast at a higher bitrate on an SD transmission though...

Sure it wasn't just re-encoded with VBR by the rip program?

Live8 was 15Mbps SD? You sure? This would have put it well in excess of DVD quality.

EDIT: The rebroadcast on US TV was coded at about 7.6Mbps.

[mcmanic]

traffic shaping?, well thats that then, where's my dialup modem then

[Neil]

Well here's the latest I've been passed:

Originally Posted by Secret Squirrel

Traffic shaping is not in place just yet, however it will be in soon (not a normal ntl "coming soon" but a real soon).

It will be used to lower the impact of p2p and will also allow the individual monitoring of specific customers so that they can see what they have downloaded.

It can also drop the speed of a user when they have reached they gigabyte limit as well as sendsingout emails to warn when reaching preset limits.

It would appear that it will be implemented between the hours of 6pm & 12am to minimise the load on the network at peak times.

I told you it was coming, & coming it is.....

[etccarmageddon]

of course it's coming - too much evidence and hints are coming through to suggest it isn't. it's the ideal way to implement a 10meg speed on all tiers without investment.

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[Chrysalis]

I wouldnt bet on them using it to make all tiers 10meg, it may well be just to allow the current tiers to perform how they should.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

I cant find secret squirel on our members list!

I never said he/she was a member here did I?

[jtwn]

The performances were DSRs, ripped and uploaded. AFAIK no null packets were stripped, don't quote me on that though.

Rebroadcast 7.5mbps? Seems high, I thought it was on MTV and we all know the leet quality they have on MTV.

Live8 Sample 73mb - http://tinyurl.com/ruvft

Ah-that's ok then.....

....Yes?

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I wouldnt bet on them using it to make all tiers 10meg, it may well be just to allow the current tiers to perform how they should.

it's the way broadband is heading - high speeds/peeing contest between suppliers and it's paid for by the small print (monthly usage allowances, traffic shaping etc) most people buy on the headline details not the small print.

[Chrysalis]

Not quite sure, it might be enough to just have a high speed available not necessarily at bargain base price.

zen for example have kept their 250kbit product live as they know their is a demand for low speed broadband at dialup price. No point selling a 8meg product at that price it isnt viable.

Plusnet appear to be planning on selling 8meg for a stupid price but their pricing models are stupid, bulldog seem to offer 8meg for under £20 but they are distance dependant and they know a great deal of customers due to distance will get a lot less and I bet law of averages would put it at around 4meg or so per customer. Also they are making massive losses on their consumer dsl market.

Both ntl and bt wholesale I can see struggling with mass rollout of anything above 2meg with their current infrastructure's the users are sharing a small bandwidth pool, LLU they share a gig pipe. Of course anything is possible with shaping but if ntl suddenly stick their entire customer base on 10meg the shaping needed to provide acceptable performance would be pretty heavy without network investment alongside it.

[etccarmageddon]

dont worry - the marketing department drives things, the technical department picks up the pieces when it all goes tits up.

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

of course it's coming - too much evidence and hints are coming through to suggest it isn't. it's the ideal way to implement a 10meg speed on all tiers without investment.

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I cant find secret squirrel on our members list!

Hi

Long time lurker 1st time poster.

It seems to be a recurring topic as far as NTL goes. I think there will be 2 camps form over this. Those that want to be able to see what they have used and be able to download quickly when they need to. And those that want to be able to download what they want when they want and not have to worry about how much they have used of there monthly amount.

I would be on the side of the all you can eat buffet. I would love to have 10 meg unlimited and would be willing to pay that bit more for it. Of course i would expect some of the extra money earned to be spent on NTL's network. However from what i have seen so far that would not be the case.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

dont worry - the marketing department drives things, the technical department picks up the pieces when it all goes tits up.

I do sort of agree with you, I had anouther thought and yeah our broadband market is like politics full of spin.

Adsl 8meg speeds, 10% or so will actually get it but they all pay the same. Also capped.
Cable 10 meg speeds, everyone will be able to get it but many only at a few hours a day, some all day long, possibly capped.
LLU adsl 24meg speeds, a tiny proportion probably 2% or so may get 24meg most will get less.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I do sort of agree with you, I had another thought and yeah our broadband market is like politics full of spin.

Adsl 8meg speeds, 10% or so will actually get it but they all pay the same. Also capped.
Cable 10 meg speeds, everyone will be able to get it but many only at a few hours a day, some all day long, possibly capped.
LLU adsl 24meg speeds, a tiny proportion probably 2% or so may get 24meg most will get less.

Think about this.

The customers of any Isp do not like caps. They are lets face it bad press for said Isps

Now if the Isp can traffic shape and get away with not letting anyone know they are shaping then BINGO, said ISP can then say they are now able to provide unlimited service.