17-02-2019, 21:00
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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I think that approach has been taken with other British citizens who travelled to Syria under similar circumstances. In her case, one question is how she gets her papers for her and her baby to leave Syria. She has never had a UK passport and would need British consulate support to obtain one. So her chances of returning don't look too high unless perhaps a journalist acts as a go-between but is there enough of a story to make it worth the hassle?
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Well theoretically as soon as she is in mainland Europe, with the EU zone, she'll likely be deported here. Unless I am missing something is this a crime isn't it? Running off to join ISIS?
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17-02-2019, 21:19
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Well theoretically as soon as she is in mainland Europe, with the EU zone, she'll likely be deported here. Unless I am missing something is this a crime isn't it? Running off to join ISIS?
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I think it's easier said than done for her and her baby to leave Syria without any papers, though. Maybe Syria and the UK will make a deal to return all the British citizens in that camp but we don't have a good relationship with the Syrian regime.
I assume ISIS membership is a crime as it's a prohibited organisation.
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17-02-2019, 21:45
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Lord Dannatt explained: "It's not right to say 'the Americans can take her and the other fighters and stick them in Guantanamo'."
But he cautioned it was mistaken to believe IS was "100% defeated".
"The ideology, the thinking, the support behind it, that is going to continue," he said. "And that will remain the struggle for this generation, perhaps even the next generation as well."
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17-02-2019, 22:19
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
I think that approach has been taken with other British citizens who travelled to Syria under similar circumstances. In her case, one question is how she gets her papers for her and her baby to leave Syria. She has never had a UK passport and would need British consulate support to obtain one. So her chances of returning don't look too high unless perhaps a journalist acts as a go-between but is there enough of a story to make it worth the hassle?
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Is that right? Did she not leave the UK on a British passport?
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17-02-2019, 22:57
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Is that right? Did she not leave the UK on a British passport?
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On her sister's passport.
Won't she have acquired Dutch citizenship from her marriage?
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Ms Begum was first tracked down by The Times. In an interview published on 13 February, she said she was heavily pregnant and had lost two children.
Asked if she was aware of IS beheadings before going to Syria, she told Sky News: "I knew about those things and I was OK with it. Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.
"From what I heard, Islamically that is all allowed."
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Comforting to hear.
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18-02-2019, 13:26
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Originally Posted by nomadking
"Her child has done nothing wrong", YET. Countless examples of people who were cute as babies and had "done nothing wrong". Especially those who go on to be indoctrinated by others of their own kind. Islamic terrorists are not suddenly produced out of thin air, they are created by Islam.
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Good god. Are you seriously saying that the child should be refused entry because it has done nothing wrong YET? Every newborn has the chance of turning out bad, just as every newborn has the chance of turning out good? Do you punish everyone in case they turn out bad?
Terrorism isn't an exclusively Islamic thing. On the contrary, the worst terrorists are often white, and not Muslims. The right wing extremists are apparently a far worse problem internationally, and we seem to be doing our utmost to appease them.
Do I think the girl should return. Actually, assuming the reports I have read are accurate, no. I am concerned that she still doesn't appear to think she has done anything wrong, and doesn't appear to understand why people are wary. However, we, as a country, cannot change our rules just because of one person. We cannot make her an exception.
This part of this post may come across as patronising. If it does, I apologise, patronising or offending others is not my intent, but I think society (this applies to everyone, but particularly to Muslim society) has a problem. The young feel that their elders are not listening to them, and not allowing them to question their elders. The young are frequently wrong, but so are people from every age group.
This is isolating the young from their elders and is causing resentment. Feelings of Resentment and isolation that various groups (including ISIS) have proved effective at using to radicalise people. I am not Muslim myself, but I base that opinion on talking to many Muslim friends.
I've seen several documentaries where they talked to people that ISIS groomed, and, in the beginning at least, when ISIS recruiters approached people they thought were vulnerable on social media, they just made friends online and encouraged people to talk about their problems, then offered a "solution", frequently promising a luxury lifestyle, the cost of which they didn't reveal, which ultimately involved moving to an ISIS territory and joining ISIS.
I think Technology, while being a massive help to us, is also a massive part of this problem. When I was at school, we were taught not to trust strangers, often watching horrifying public information films featuring kids being enticed in to knackered old Datsuns never to be seen again. Social media can force us to talk to strangers, but it also enables them to hide their true identity and we may build up a trust with a stranger who is lying to us without us knowing. That is not good.
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18-02-2019, 15:09
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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The young feel that their elders are not listening to them, and not allowing them to question their elders. The young are frequently wrong, but so are people from every age group.
This is isolating the young from their elders and is causing resentment. Feelings of Resentment and isolation that various groups (including ISIS) have proved effective at using to radicalise people. I am not Muslim myself, but I base that opinion on talking to many Muslim friends.
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This is especially true of the present Islamic community however this will change when the next generation is "Western Radicalised".
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18-02-2019, 20:22
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Originally Posted by Damien
She is British right? So if she makes her way back then I think we have to let her in but then she'll face criminal prosecution. I don't see this being an especially controversial approach. I don't think we should put anyone in danger to go 'rescue' her, she knew what she was doing, but it's not feasible to prevent British citizens from entering Britain and when someone is accused of being, or helping, terrorists we have a justice system to handle that.
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Yes we have a justice system but why should I and others help contribute our hard earned tax contributions towards the possible court hearings/cases.
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18-02-2019, 20:51
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Yes we have a justice system but why should I and others help contribute our hard earned tax contributions towards the possible court hearings/cases.
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Should we just pretend it never happened?
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18-02-2019, 20:52
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Yes we have a justice system but why should I and others help contribute our hard earned tax contributions towards the possible court hearings/cases.
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Well I don't think we should go out of our way to get her back but if she ends up here then I think that's the proper way to handle it.
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19-02-2019, 06:54
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
She's given another interview saying the Manchester bombings were justified now, makes me wonder if she actually wants to come back at all, which suits me just fine actually, Syria is welcome to you. I hear her patents have been blaming every one but themselves and her to, the school, the council blah blah, perhaps they should look a little closer to home
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19-02-2019, 18:58
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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19-02-2019, 19:33
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Best news i have heard all day.
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19-02-2019, 20:16
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
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Best news i have heard all day.
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Me to, actions have consequences, Bangladesh should have got in first
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19-02-2019, 20:21
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Re: 3 girls going to Syria
Now i guess the human rights lawyers will go into overdrive.
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