Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Nah, you don't go out Gary. You're in posting on the internet all day.

LOL
If I was there. and if I went out.

[Osem]

The wife cycled to collect our youngest from after school club earlier. Helmet, hi-viz jacket, lights front and rear. It's only difficult for some people to be sensible.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Gary L

LOL
If I was there. and if I went out.

Originally Posted by Osem

The wife cycled to collect our youngest from after school club earlier. Helmet, hi-viz jacket, lights front and rear. It's only difficult for some people to be sensible.

It might have been sensible to go in the car and save the walk back home.

Actually while we're on the topic the general standard of driving could be better. I can't believe how often I see drivers taking the incorrect lane on a roundabout and I think more than half of drivers don't indicate correctly. It's pretty horrible to have someone hog the outside lane when you're in the middle trying to move out to take an oncoming exit! So often I see people take the outside lane and stay there past 2 exits on a 4 exit roundabout. How stupid are these people!?

Also people who park yards from a junction prevent people from seeing the road onto which they are joining. Or people who hog the middle lane. Or people who 'challenge' racing from behind where there are two lanes merging into one so they can beat you to the punch.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

Actually while we're on the topic the general standard of driving could be better. I can't believe how often I see drivers taking the incorrect lane on a roundabout and I think more than half of drivers don't indicate correctly. It's pretty horrible to have someone hog the outside lane when you're in the middle trying to move out to take an oncoming exit! So often I see people take the outside lane and stay there past 2 exits on a 4 exit roundabout. How stupid are these people!?

Also people who park yards from a junction prevent people from seeing the road onto which they are joining. Or people who hog the middle lane. Or people who 'challenge' racing from behind where there are two lanes merging into one so they can beat you to the punch.

You gotta love 'em eh? And all this goes on with kids around, old people, the disabled, pedestrians, cyclists....driving standards are poor even in those who should be expert (bus drivers, taxis). I also love the ones that block yellow boxes. With all this going on, is it any wonder that cyclists ride defensively and want to keep out of the way?

That said, those that cycle without lights....madness.

[papa smurf]

after reading this thread its clear why cyclists keep getting killed -its their attitude to other road users .

And in some cases, vice-versa....

[Osem]

So it what's I said then - a proportion of all road users.

What does surprise me though is why so many cyclists, who we're told feel very vulnerable and are concerned about the attitude of motorists toward them, don't bother having lights, proper safety clothing etc. and generally put themselves in danger e.g. by cycling up the inside of huge trucks and buses at junctions when they could just stay clear and wait a few seconds. Seems crazy to me.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

after reading this thread its clear why cyclists keep getting killed -its their attitude to other road users .

I hope you aren't called upon to read, digest, summarise and conclude in your working life. Your assessment would seem to be unique to your blinkered opinion not the actual facts .

At least you acknowledge that cyclists are being killed and are not involved in mass suicides.

A fully 'protected', hi-vis cyclist who obeys all the traffic laws is still at major risk from inattentive and reckless motorists and there are far more of those around than errant cyclists.

Originally Posted by Osem

So it what's I said then - a proportion of all road users.

Which represents a significant change in opinion in the theme of this thread; it's not all the fault of cyclists after all.
p.s. when being smug, use correct grammar

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

I hope you aren't called upon to read, digest, summarise and conclude in your working life. Your assessment would seem to be unique to your blinkered opinion not the actual facts .

At least you acknowledge that cyclists are being killed and are not involved in mass suicides.

A fully 'protected', hi-vis cyclist who obeys all the traffic laws is still at major risk from inattentive and reckless motorists and there are far more of those around than errant cyclists.

do you have a link to any facts to back that up.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

do you have a link to any facts to back that up.

No. It's true because I said so .

[Derek]

Paris is making the entirely sensible decision to allow cyclists to treat red lights as give ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33773868

Cyclists in Paris no longer have to stop at every red traffic light - new rules mean that in certain circumstances they can ignore the signals and keep going. The aim is to make the city's roads much safer.

People end up thinking that just because a light is green it is safe to go - when it might not be... Far better to use all our senses all the time.
"Also allowing cyclists to proceed is safer, because it means they avoid getting caught beside trucks and buses as they wait for lights to change. That is the origin of a lot of accidents."

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Derek

Paris is making the entirely sensible decision to allow cyclists to treat red lights as give ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33773868

just like they are allowed to do here then

[Derek]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

just like they are allowed to do here then

Well seeing as any road user ignoring a red light is committing an offense then no not just like here.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Derek

Well seeing as any road user ignoring a red light is committing an offense then no not just like here.

Never heard of a cyclist being done for it though, or wrong way down one way streets or on pavements.