Malaysian Airline plane disappears

[thenry]

I doubt it. They would just lie if they wanted to keep technology they have top secret.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Osem

Would the Americans, with all their top secret satellite technology, sea bed listening networks etc. etc., necessarily come clean about where this plane is if they knew it? Maybe they know where it is and want to keep that knowledge under wraps so as not to reveal their capabilities...

I think you're probably giving them a bit too much credit.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I think you're probably giving them a bit too much credit.

Quite possibly but they have plenty of technology which is top secret and they'd have nothing to gain by divulging its existence, especially so close to China. It wasn't that long ago that we had no idea how they'd been monitoring vast numbers of emails, phone calls etc. If the US has top secret listening/monitoring capability near China I reckon they'd want to keep it as quiet as they did their SOSUS arrays of the late 20th C.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Osem

Quite possibly but they have plenty of technology which is top secret and they'd have nothing to gain by divulging its existence, especially so close to China. It wasn't that long ago that we had no idea how they'd been monitoring vast numbers of emails, phone calls etc. If the US has top secret listening/monitoring capability near China I reckon they'd want to keep it as quiet as they did their SOSUS arrays of the late 20th C.

I've always assumed our communications were monitored, i'm amazed that anybody could or would think othetwise!

BBC News were reporting earlier that an unamed London based satellite company has identified details of an automatic and routine signal from the jet that they received after it disappeared.

I have identified this company as being Inmarsat. This states that no timings have been given, but I believe that it was about 4 hours after the disappearance.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-mh370-397034/

Why do you believe that, Richard?

[Sirius]

There are new claims on the news of deliberate action to divert the missing plane.

http://news.sky.com/story/1226362/de...-missing-plane

"Deliberate action" diverted the missing Malaysia Airlines plane after its communications were cut, according to Malaysia's Prime Minister.

Najib Razak stopped short of saying flight MH370, which left Kuala Lumpur for Beijing last Saturday, had been hijacked, stressing "all possibilities" were being looked into.

Earlier, a Malaysian government official said investigators had concluded this was the case.

If this is the case did it make land and if so why has there been no further communications with the crew or passengers????

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Why do you believe that, Richard?

Someone let it slip. I think* that this is now in the public domain and has been revised to 7 hours.

* I believe that this was said on Radio 4 earlier today. I have the radio on in the background when working from home, but as I had my mind on other things, I can't bee 100% certain.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I've always assumed our communications were monitored, i'm amazed that anybody could or would think othetwise!

BBC News were reporting earlier that an unamed London based satellite company has identified details of an automatic and routine signal from the jet that they received after it disappeared.

I have identified this company as being Inmarsat. This states that no timings have been given, but I believe that it was about 4 hours after the disappearance.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-mh370-397034/

I believe you are referring to the engine management signal sent from the engines to Rolls Royce ,this is standard in all modern Rolls Royce airplane engines and is common knowledge

[Pierre]

So basically, they have confirmed that they managed to pick up a signal from the jet for several hours after they lost contact.

They have two corridors, essentially North Western from South Asia to North Western Asia and potentially Eastern Europe. Or, South Western into the Indian Ocean.

I would find it remarkable that this jet could fly over a continental land mass and not get the attention of the military of the countries it flew over. This would be an Unidentified aircraft, if showed up on military radar surely they would investigate?

This would lead me to believe it went South, to where? No idea.

[Uncle Peter]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So basically, they have confirmed that they managed to pick up a signal from the jet for several hours after they lost contact.

They have two corridors, essentially North Western from South Asia to North Western Asia and potentially Eastern Europe. Or, South Western into the Indian Ocean.

I would find it remarkable that this jet could fly over a continental land mass and not get the attention of the military of the countries it flew over. This would be an Unidentified aircraft, if showed up on military radar surely they would investigate?

This would lead me to believe it went South, to where? No idea.

Or the aircraft routed North and managed to fly uncontested into foreign airspace in which case there would be face to save around why air defence capability didn't pick it up, or indeed the competence of atc were the aircraft to remain on an established airway without SSR.

[AdamD]

But it's getting weirder by the minute.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by martyh

I believe you are referring to the engine management signal sent from the engines to Rolls Royce ,this is standard in all modern Rolls Royce airplane engines and is common knowledge

I've got no idea if it was this signal or not, the only information that I have is what I've posted.

I didn't know that the state of their jet engines were monitored remotely by Rolls Royce, what a good idea.

If the signals were intended for Rolls Royce, I wonder why they haven't made a public statement to help, rather than leave it to a third party? (of course, they may have done so in private). I also wonder why Inmarsat were reluctant to be known as the source of this information?

Being shown as keen to help in a humanitarian situation like this wouldn't do their PR any harm.

This situation gets more odd as each day goes by.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I've got no idea if it was this signal or not, the only information that I have is what I've posted.

I didn't know that the state of their jet engines were monitored remotely by Rolls Royce, what a good idea.

If the signals were intended for Rolls Royce, I wonder why they haven't made a public statement to help, rather than leave it to a third party? (of course, they may have done so in private). I also wonder why Inmarsat were reluctant to be known as the source of this information?

Being shown as keen to help in a humanitarian situation like this wouldn't do their PR any harm.

This situation gets more odd as each day goes by.

Rolls Royce have been helping since the plane disappeared ......it has been on the news .

[Pierre]

I would still amazed if the outcome is not that all have perished.

Surely, the whole world must unite to share info and resources to locate this plane.

I cannot believe in this world, in this age , that an aircraft of that size can fly undetected and unquestioned over foreign airspace.

[Halcyon]

Richard, most plane manufacturers (Boeing, Airbus, etc) have data sent to them as well as the airlines and engine manufacturers. This can help monitor problems and solve issues that arise.


What I find odd is that in a day and age where everything is being monitored why on earth did Malaysian Airlines not go to the military or other companies that have tracking capabilities straight away after losing contact with their own systems and the plane.

If we now know the plane most likely continued flying for several hours and they had seen it straight away on other radars they could have got some fighter jets up to see what is going on and patrol the skies.

Some of the last data received showed the plane gaining a lot of altitude and going beyond its flying ceiling. This could have been an attempt by the pilots to disable hijackers who were trying to gain access.
Equally, it could have been to de-pressurise the plane and cause passengers to pass out.
That being said, I doubt there was enough oxgen for them to fly for a good while at that altitude.

Whatever happened at that altitude someone was in control to bring the plane back down to the lower altitude.

Maybe there was a fire and they were trying to get to less air to force out the flames.

Whatever happened systems were switched off one by one so someone was doing it.

I am more and more inclined to think the plane never exploded and was intact until the very end.
It has most likely ran out of fuel after hours of gliding and then crashed.
But then why would no one have beeen able to seen it descending or mayday call due to failure of systems.