The Sun and The Telegraph go behind Paywalls

[colin25]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't think expect people to pay for a product that costs to produce is greedy. Murdoch may well be greedy and I am certainly no fan but the newspaper business is not one for making large profits and he subsidies papers for the most part as it's a struggling industry.

If we don't want a world of Huffington Posts then we need to start going back to the idea that journalism isn't free.

Or we presume news is free, and they need to create other ways to get revenue

Originally Posted by colin25

Or we presume news is free, and they need to create other ways to get revenue

It's not free though. It's costs money to pay journalists and they incur costs is chasing down stories. Big scoops can take several months or longer of a journalist producing very little in the mean time. They've tried other ways get revenue but like most things there is little else other than charging the consumers of your product.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yeah I am on The Telegraph and The Times ones but I wondered if The Sun had done any major redesign of their site since it was pretty poor before..The Telegraph always seems to forget me as well...

I'd only start worrying about that when it's your mates...

[colin25]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's not free though. It's costs money to pay journalists and they incur costs is chasing down stories. Big scoops can take several months or longer of a journalist producing very little in the mean time. They've tried other ways get revenue but like most things there is little else other than charging the consumers of your product.

That presumes there is a market.

There may be people who say no.

I haven't bought a paper in years. i read the metro on the bus (it is there and passes the time) else i get news from tv and online.

I don't sign up to the assumption that things must remain the same, that includes paying for things.

Originally Posted by colin25

That presumes there is a market.

There may be people who say no.

I haven't bought a paper in years. i read the metro on the bus (it is there and passes the time) else i get news from tv and online.

I don't sign up to the assumption that things must remain the same, that includes paying for things.

Then how do we get our news if people aren't getting paid to produce it?

[colin25]

Originally Posted by Damien

Then how do we get our news if people aren't getting paid to produce it?

Hmmm..so you are saying we won't get news?

Some companies survive wholly on advertising.

Or we rely on tv, radio.

Newspapers need not survive, it isn't an absolute

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Oh, and losing the Sun newspaper, is not something I will worry about.

[Russ]

The Sun's twitter feed has been filled with RTs from people saying how 'amazing' the new site and app is. The other (free) papers' twitter feeds have been full of comments about how theirs will always be free. I'll trust The Mirror's assurances on this one. Screenshotted of course in case they decided to try to make a few extra bob out of us in the future.

Originally Posted by colin25

Hmmm..so you are saying we won't get news?

Some companies survive wholly on advertising.

Or we rely on tv, radio.

I am saying news will become regurgitated press releases and 2nd information from elsewhere. A world of Huffington Posts. Advertising doesn't work for this medium because the cost of producing a page is considerably higher than the income from advertising. This is why so many news sites have link-bait articles 'top 10 whatever' rather than news now.

Originally Posted by Damien

The Telegraph always seems to forget me as well...

Well at least it's not just me ...

I wonder if they're doing something odd with their cookies to try to stop people just deleting them to reset their free article count.

Originally Posted by Chris

Well at least it's not just me ...

I wonder if they're doing something odd with their cookies to try to stop people just deleting them to reset their free article count.

Could be. Although I can't think what it would be as they would ideally want cookies which never expire. It's very annoying on the iPad actually since it's a pain to type your e-mail and password each time on it.

[colin25]

Originally Posted by Damien

I am saying news will become regurgitated press releases and 2nd information from elsewhere. A world of Huffington Posts. Advertising doesn't work for this medium because the cost of producing a page is considerably higher than the income from advertising. This is why so many news sites have link-bait articles 'top 10 whatever' rather than news now.

Electronic medium seems to be the way. that might mean papers on something that can be rewritten etc

And, whilst some news is worthy (though not that i would buy), what have we got now? I do see newspapers (through my job etc) and often it is the same story slightly rewritten (if they even bother with that)

So we are already there.

i just don't see any great shame if the papers fold. but, that is me. others will disagree

[rogerdraig]

Won't see it behind Dave's firewall anyway lol

[Gavin78]

I went for the sun's £1 for 2 months option but will cancel after that as don't want to pay the £8.67 a month they want to charge me

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's not free though. It's costs money to pay journalists and they incur costs is chasing down stories. Big scoops can take several months or longer of a journalist producing very little in the mean time. They've tried other ways get revenue but like most things there is little else other than charging the consumers of your product.

Indeed.. I've read it's not unheard of for the costs of a really big story to spiral into the 10s if not 100s of thousands of pounds area.

Originally Posted by Stuart

Indeed.. I've read it's not unheard of for the costs of a really big story to spiral into the 10s if not 100s of thousands of pounds area.

Meanwhile it takes less than a day to write about that celebrity baby name or the top 10 fish and chips shops in Brighton and they probably generate the same ad revenue. Massive problem with the ad generated model.