Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing

[iFrankie]

Originally Posted by budwieser

Thats what i posted in an earlier post mate. If you want to be gay and do what gay people do, do it behind closed doors. Don`t try and tell me its Right or Normal.

"If you want to be gay" i personally believe we are born gay or straight, from when i was aged 10 or 11 i knew i was different.

And to me it is right and normal.

I do respect your opinion but you just don't understand and thats what it comes down to, lack of understanding.

Rant over .

[Welshchris]

oooooo Frankie Giss a kiss and lets show budwieser how its done lol

I knew a lot younger than than Frankie, i can remember being in Primary school and feeling some attractions towards men but at that age you dont understand what they mean.

[Russ]

There's going to be more to this story than meets the eye. The media loves a good "poor persecuted gays" story.

I think it's about time people realised political correctness does not always apply in reality.

If the landlord was the one who was offended by this then he's the one with the problem and can't reasonably expect people not to show affection in public.

If however it was a group of punters in there who were threatening to leave if the landlord did nothing about it, that's more understandable. I'm not saying I think it's right, but it's economics. Publicans need to keep people in the pubs, spending money. If a group were threatening to leave because of 2 people. he's not likely to think "I'll lose their money just to be PC".

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by iFrankie

Of course the human race would die out but the last time i checked not everyone is gay, so no problem.

Last time I checked very few people are gay, perhaps fewer than 2% which makes me wonder if all the recent law changes are justifyable for such a small percentage of the population, considering the the impact it had on Catholic adoption agencies for example. Amazing what a few high profile lobby groups and some celeb supporters can achieve if these figures are anyhting like correct.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-population-uk

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Originally Posted by Russ

There's going to be more to this story than meets the eye.

I wondered the same myself, I mean it's not the first time people have engineered a story just for effect, like those animal rights groups and the elephant the other week.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Last time I checked very few people are gay, perhaps fewer than 2% which makes me wonder if all the recent law changes are justifyable for such a small percentage of the population, considering the the impact it had on Catholic adoption agencies for example. Amazing what a few high profile lobby groups and some celeb supporters can achieve if these figures are anyhting like correct.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-population-uk

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I wondered the same myself, I mean it's not the first time people have engineered a story just for effect, like those animal rights groups and the elephant the other week.

Catholics - 8% of the UK population (five million), of which 20% (1 million) regularly attend mass.

So, that means 1 million practicing Catholics, and 1.2 million practicing (or they might be quite good at it, so don't need to practice) gays (2% of the population, according to your figures*).

Who's the minority?

*(and according to research quoted in the Guardian, 3.6 million gay people in the UK )

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Last time I checked very few people are gay, perhaps fewer than 2%

Yet 3% decided that they did not want to answer that question for that particular survey and previous surveys have always stated a 5-6% figure.. so which is right, the one you want to be right or the one that is right.. they might not be the same.. Also how many gay men/women living in hetrosexual marriages and actively participating in homosexual activities would admit to being gay?? There is a reason as to why "coming out of the closet" is an apt term for some gay people.

Still though even 1 percent is over half a million people.. don't they have rights??

Getting back to the story (which to me is just a young couple who don't seem to realise that not everyone might be as free and as open as they are) Yes they should of been more careful of their actions (which for the reaction they got was more than just a simple peck) but I'm also very surprised by the reaction of a landlord in London's SOHO which is an area known for hetro/gay sexual activity at all times of the day or night.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Catholics - 8% of the UK population (five million), of which 20% (1 million) regularly attend mass.

So, that means 1 million practicing Catholics, and 1.2 million practicing (or they might be quite good at it, so don't need to practice) gays (2% of the population, according to your figures*).

Who's the minority?

*(and according to research quoted in the Guardian, 3.6 million gay people in the UK )

You seem to have missed the point, the reason I mentioned the adoption agencies wasn't because they were a minority (although that might have been the reason why they worked the way they did) but because of the impact it'll have on the most hard to place kids lives, those agencies placed more teenagers than any other organisation I belive.

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

Still though even 1 percent is over half a million people.. don't they have rights??

Obviously more rights than the aforementioned teens..

[Kymmy]

You are assuming that all rules are created equal and based on the same requirements..

If it were purely on Numbers then the 189,100 (2009) abortions in the UK would never have happened as the Catholic population outweighs that number..

Figures are not everything and not everything is based on figures.. Instead we tend to base a lot of rules on human rights, like the right adopt a child even no matter what your sexual preference is, the right to show affection to a partner and the right not to have someone accuse you of being a pervert for innocently doing so (had that one shouted at me a few times)

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Yet 3% decided that they did not want to answer that question for that particular survey and previous surveys have always stated a 5-6% figure.. so which is right, the one you want to be right or the one that is right.. they might not be the same.. Also how many gay men/women living in hetrosexual marriages and actively participating in homosexual activities would admit to being gay?? There is a reason as to why "coming out of the closet" is an apt term for some gay people.

Still though even 1 percent is over half a million people.. don't they have rights??

Getting back to the story (which to me is just a young couple who don't seem to realise that not everyone might be as free and as open as they are) Yes they should of been more careful of their actions (which for the reaction they got was more than just a simple peck) but I'm also very surprised by the reaction of a landlord in London's SOHO which is an area known for hetro/gay sexual activity at all times of the day or night.

and how many people are not really "genetically" gay if that really is the case? How many women turn gay because they are abused as children? I know a few fit in that description and how many male gays are there because they found it easier to be whilst going through pubity and are simply just confused. And what about those in gay relationships who are bi sexual? is that meant to be genetic too? or is it just cuz they are rampant and do not care where they get their rocks off??

[Osem]

From what I've read and heard (including a statement by the original complainant) this doesn't seem to me to be about gay issues at all. It's about causing offence by engaging in actions that others deemed inappropriate and there was apparently rather more involved than a quick kiss. I believe the same thing would've been done had the couple involved been male/female but since they wouldn't have such a point to prove I don't imagine they'd have made quite the same fuss about it. About 10 years ago my wife and I were approached by security staff in a bar and asked to tone down what we were doing or leave. We were only kissing with our arms around eachother and couldn't see what the fuss was about but certainly feel motivated to complain about our treatment.

Obviously the facts behind all this are still unclear and I'm reserving judgement about the guys involved but I do think that certain group rather like 'engineering' contentious sitautions like this about which they can then complain in the hope that they can gain some 'advantage' for their ilk whether that be publicity, changes in the law or anything else.

Originally Posted by Osem

From what I've read and heard (including a statement by the original complainant) this doesn't seem to me to be about gay issues at all. It's about causing offence by engaging in actions that others deemed inappropriate and there was apparently rather more involved than a quick kiss. I believe the same thing would've been done had the couple involved been male/female but since they wouldn't have such a point to prove I don't imagine they'd have made quite the same fuss about it. About 10 years ago my wife and I were approached by security staff in a bar and asked to tone down what we were doing or leave. We were only kissing with our arms around eachother and couldn't see what the fuss was about but certainly feel motivated to complain about our treatment.

Obviously the facts behind all this are still unclear and I'm reserving judgement about the guys involved but I do think that certain group rather like 'engineering' contentious sitautions like this about which they can then complain in the hope that they can gain some 'advantage' for their ilk.

many who are part of a minority like to use prejuduce as an excuse to cause or fuss gain attention or get someone into trouble cuz they can

Originally Posted by Zing

many who are part of a minority like to use prejuduce as an excuse to cause or fuss gain attention or get someone into trouble cuz they can

But we are not talking about homophobic B&B owners......

Originally Posted by Hugh

But we are not talking about homophobic B&B owners......

sorry I can not see me eluding to B&B owners in my post? I was generalising. Plenty of incidents where someone says another has acted rascist.homaphobic/ a religious bigot against them where nothing of the sort have happened.

Of course there are plenty of cases where it has but not all

[danielf]

I think Hugh was joking...

Originally Posted by Osem

From what I've read and heard (including a statement by the original complainant) this doesn't seem to me to be about gay issues at all. It's about causing offence by engaging in actions that others deemed inappropriate and there was apparently rather more involved than a quick kiss.

Well the people making the claim are saying they were simply having a 'quick kiss'. We will have to see what comes out.