Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing

[buckleb]

Originally Posted by TraxData2

Dont like any of that.

I'm picky with music, i'm more into classical rock, rock (some, not much newer stuff), country (laugh and i hit you ) classical (for relaxation purposes), j-pop/j-rock, infact i listen to whatever suits my mood.

My wife is also very into Country,and I'm an old classic rocker. My needs are catered for to a very limited degree, but hers not at all. Internet radio is the only way we can both fill our boots with as much of our favourite sounds as we can manage (Pinnacle Home Music thingy).

I think we are getting away from the topic myself but at least it's uncontentious stuff.

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by Kevin T

Yee Hah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa9mNistHSs

is all i'm gonna say

Edit : youtube video i wanna link to u cant view in the UK lol.

---------- Post added at 00:05 ---------- Previous post was at 00:03 ----------

Originally Posted by cadire

My wife is also very into Country,and I'm an old classic rocker. My needs are catered for to a very limited degree, but hers not at all. Internet radio is the only way we can both fill our boots with as much of our favourite sounds as we can manage (Pinnacle Home Music thingy).

Yep, very hard to find this sort of music in high quality and i'm not willing to pay for it drm'd to the hilt and in low quality!

Nice to see another country listener old rock is great, stuff they put out today is terrible, it's no wonder people just download it instead!

[Kymmy]

Back on topic please guys

---------- Post added at 08:36 ---------- Previous post was at 08:33 ----------

Originally Posted by Sirius

If VM could check that easily, Would you not think they would be able to stop the clones in the first place.

The fact of the matter is someone WILL get a letter even when they have not been using P2P but the **** bag who has cloned there modem and IS using P2P will not.

It kinda makes a mockery of all this.

Perhaps then the emphasis (on VM as ADSL doesn't have this problem) should be for the ISP to first confirm that the person they're sending out the letters too are the account holders of the account used for file sharing. For gawd sake if they worked out how to do that they'd not only get the BPI off thier backs but also the cloners off thier networks... Perhaps a centralised DHCP bank is in order???

I know that the original letters did say about disconnection, these were altered after the initial news reports to be a general educational/guide as to someone on your account may be file sharing and were not a definative accusation like the original.

Kymmy

[SOSAGES]

The world's largest web-based retailer of just about everything has improved on forecasts by announcing a net profit that has doubled to $158 million over the three months of April, May and June this year.
Interestingly, one of the biggest margins that contributed to the success was from sales of books, CDs and DVDs, which were up 31%

http://uk.gizmodo.com/2008/07/24/ama...s_in_pira.html

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by SOSAGES

http://uk.gizmodo.com/2008/07/24/ama...s_in_pira.html

Which is again off-topic, the amounts that retailers are earning through online sales is another subject entirely. This topic is about the BPI and ISP's in relation to file sharing.

There will be no more warnings guys and all future off-topic posts may be deleted

[SOSAGES]

did anyone see the 2 women the bbc had on talking about this yesterday evening?
a mother and daughter team..
possibly the worst people to try and justify stealing music and movies.

[Kymmy]

There's no justification stealing/copyright infringing (please lets not have the downloading is not stealing arguement as that's what closed the last thread) any movies/music at all......

But thousands do it and will do it probably after the BPI take action and force ISP's to stop them. Using current methods though all it's going to do is to increase the shares in companies offering anonymous proxies

As far as mother/daughter they're probably the only people that the BBC could get to go on-air and say that there is justification downloading..

[SOSAGES]

check out
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00cp44t

skip to 20 mins into it
the family is at 21 mins but its worth watching the whole thing as the tech expert at the bbc is a bit of a fool

such classics as:

its not harming anyone

and my fav

everybody does it

[dev]

Originally Posted by SOSAGES

check out
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00cp44t

skip to 20 mins into it
the family is at 21 mins but its worth watching the whole thing as the tech expert at the bbc is a bit of a fool

such classics as:

and my fav

tbh, the "its not harming anyone" is true in a lot of cases, there a few people who download stuff,

1, those who'll download it regardless and never pay for anything
2, those who download stuff they think isn't worth the price
3, those who download to try

in 2 / 3 there are no lost sales so no harm done, people in number 1 don't make any sales so no losses there either

on the customers side, you buy a game/album/whatever, take it home, realise it's complete ***** and go to take it back and get a refund, you can't so you're stuck with something you don't want

Doesn't the same argument apply the purchase of books and magazines?

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Doesn't the same argument apply the purchase of books and magazines?

Correct, also as far as games/movies there's enough trailers, demos, reviews around to totally nul that arguement.

Kymmy

[SOSAGES]

trailers + demos are designed to show the best side of something
i can spend a few mins on the apple trailers site and point out some awesome trailers for films that generally suck

[Kymmy]

Then simply wait for them to come out on free TV.....as it's still no justification for downloading.

BUT then again the BPI aren't curently going after downloaders but the actual file sharers... (I know in P2P the downloader becomes a file sharer but again that's no justification)

Kymmy

[dev]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Then simply wait for them to come out on free TV.....as it's still no justification for downloading.

BUT then again the BPI aren't curently going after downloaders but the actual file sharers... (I know in P2P the downloader becomes a file sharer but again that's no justification)

Kymmy

well for games, demos are usually ok but also come out after the actual game, trailers for games are pointless as bad gameplay can make a game worthless (<insert ea sports game here>)

for movies, as said trailers they show the best bits and if the trailer shows all the best bits then the rest of the movie would be crap and pointless to go and pay for. i can't remember the last time i paid to watch or movie (or even downloaded one) they all end up following a generic plot which is usually obvious and boring.

waiting for movies to come onto tv to become free - what difference does it make if someone downloads it then, they still got it for free and the movie company makes neither more or less money.

what about downloading tv episodes? if you miss it on tv for free, why should you be forced to pay for a dvd to watch it in a few years?