Why Does Everyone Think Virgin Are Rubbish ? - Page 6

colin-bennett · 24-06-2008, 21:23

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Originally Posted by shawty

Excuse me but maybe you should learn between changing peoples posts and just bolding bits you want to respond on.

My comments were based on your comment (comment without the 's' at the end to make comments, as then I would comment on the whole post).

I think you will find that this is an everyday occurence on forum

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What you did there is totally different. You have changed what someone has said and that is totally wrong. Bolding a sentance on which I want to comment on is not in the slightest bit wrong.

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I know we dont, I never apart from bolding a sentance. Dont like it, complain to the moderators, but they wont do anything as its a common feature of Internet forums.

It may occure every day does that mean its ok.
People who need to make a point need to do so on their own merits not by changing a post from some one else.. Making one (and only one ) line bold is changing a post. I only changed a few words to make MY point. Oh perhaps I change a font into white (bold of course) would be acceptable.
My point is valid.
You do not change a post >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

peanut · 24-06-2008, 21:28

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Originally Posted by colin-bennett

It may occure every day does that mean its ok.
People who need to make a point need to do so on their own merits not by changing a post from some one else.. Making one (and only one ) line bold is changing a post. I only changed a few words to make MY point. Oh perhaps I change a font into white (bold of course) would be acceptable.
My point is valid.
You do not change a post >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No it's not.

colin-bennett · 24-06-2008, 21:58

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Originally Posted by peanutkp

No it's not.

Ok its only my opinion .

24-06-2008, 22:01

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Originally Posted by colin-bennett

It may occure every day does that mean its ok.
People who need to make a point need to do so on their own merits not by changing a post from some one else.. Making one (and only one ) line bold is changing a post. I only changed a few words to make MY point. Oh perhaps I change a font into white (bold of course) would be acceptable.
My point is valid.
You do not change a post >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

bold for emphasis is not changing anything other than the tags - the message still contains the original content, I cannot see how you can equate that to 'changed a few words', which you seem to find ok ?

peanut · 24-06-2008, 22:01

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Originally Posted by colin-bennett

Ok its only my opinion

Well said.

Highlighting is giving an answer to a specific part of the quote, nothing more. Things can be taken out of context obviously (but not on purpose), but it is a valid and normal thing to do on forums etc as stated by everyone else. As I've pointed out.

shawty · 24-06-2008, 22:50

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Originally Posted by colin-bennett

It may occure every day does that mean its ok.
People who need to make a point need to do so on their own merits not by changing a post from some one else.. Making one (and only one ) line bold is changing a post. I only changed a few words to make MY point. Oh perhaps I change a font into white (bold of course) would be acceptable.
My point is valid.
You do not change a post >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Whats your problem? Your original message is still exactly the same. Its not my problem that you have a problem with it, no one else does. Maybe if its that a big of a problem, you dont belong on forums as, yes it does occur every day and yes it is ok to do it.

Do what you like to my post as long as you dont change what I have written, I couldnt give a poo to be honest, the original message of yours is still there for everyone to read without me bolding one line

Well done I hate that smiley, your the one person ever on the internet to make me use it.

colin-bennett · 25-06-2008, 08:25

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Originally Posted by shawty

Whats your problem? Your original message is still [COLOR="Red"]exactly[/COLOR] the same. Its not my problem that you have a problem with it, no one else does. Maybe if its that a big of a problem, you dont belong on forums as, yes it does occur every day and yes it is ok to do it.

Do what you like to my post as long as you dont change what I have written, I couldnt give a poo to be honest, the original message of yours is still there for everyone to read without me bolding one line

Well done I hate that smiley, your the one person ever on the internet to make me use it.

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unless you read the above fully it may be taken out of context ?
Once again it is only my point and may not be reflected by other members
But thanks for agreeing with me and well done to you 2

MovedGoalPosts · 25-06-2008, 09:47

End of discussion now on the merits of whether or not posts are altereted by emphasising something if you quote. That is off topic for this thread.

The petty little remarks being made do you all no credit.

shawty · 25-06-2008, 15:13

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Originally Posted by colin-bennett

Once again good point ben

However the multiple of systems NTL were working on could have been intergrated (have not VM done this)
Migrating systems is still ongoing and is a painfull process for customers and staff.
It just seems to me (only my opinion) NTL senior management had no contact or control over the front line staff and as such ignored the problems the billing and provisioning system was causing the customer.

It was not luck TW chose ICOMS but more perhaps good leadership/
Poor leadership and weak management led NTL into the state they found themselves in.
I am really sad to say VM are following in the footsteps of the old NTL.

I hope I am wrong but only time will tell

Getting back on topic then, I will repeat what I origiannly wrote, which just got ignored anyway.

Correct me if Im wrong, but thats because Virgin Media are the old NTL. Virgin Media was just a name change.

So my point was, VM are not following in the footsteps of NTL as they are NTL, there name has just changed to Virgin Media. So what you are seeing is NTL carrying on as usual, but with just a changed name.

BenMcr · 25-06-2008, 15:15

But then they are telewest with a name change as well

Also, although I haven't tracked it, how many of the board come from either of the two previous cable companies?

I am pretty sure quite a few of the internet lot are from what was telewest. The TV STB software is ex-telewest code, the billing system is ex-telewest etc.

So Virgin Media is more telewest than ntl

shawty · 25-06-2008, 15:25

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

But then they are telewest with a name change as well

Also, although I haven't tracked it, how many of the board come from either of the two previous cable companies?

I am pretty sure quite a few of the internet lot are from what was telewest. The TV STB software is ex-telewest code, the billing system is ex-telewest etc.

So Virgin Media is more telewest than ntl

As far as Im aware though, all or most of the big bosses were all from the NTL side, it was just they took over some of the stuff that was done better from Telewest. Even so, Telewest were a much smaller company than NTL and as such Id say the company that merged as NTL:Telewest was mainly managed by NTL.

BenMcr · 25-06-2008, 15:30

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Originally Posted by shawty

As far as Im aware though, all or most of the big bosses were all from the NTL side, it was just they took over some of the stuff that was done better from Telewest. Even so, Telewest were a much smaller company than NTL and as such Id say the company that merged as NTL:Telewest was mainly managed by NTL.

Apart from Neil Berkett there is currently no-one on the Virgin Media managment board that worked for ntl (just checked) They either worked for Telewest or outside companies.

There are few in regards to ntl:telewest business, but we are talking about residential here.

shawty · 25-06-2008, 15:37

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

Apart from Neil Berkett there is currently no-one on the Virgin Media managment board that worked for ntl (just checked) They either worked for Telewest or outside companies.

There are few in regards to ntl:telewest business, but we are talking about residential here.

Well I stand corrected, but I still believe that the company of NTL:Telewest and now Virgin Media was mainly and still is run from the NTL side of things, or that was what I believed.

Visitor · 26-06-2008, 23:30

I dont think VM is rubbish, but they have got a bad name with the people they have had working for them. If its not TS for broadband its the sales people, who seam to push what they think is right, rather than what is right.

Everytime you ring, you get a diffrent reply ! and that person will say the other person is wrong AND he is right.

He/She is only right if you like whats being said

else blow them out and ring up again and get someone who knows even less

shawty · 27-06-2008, 12:25

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Originally Posted by Visitor

I dont think VM is rubbish, but they have got a bad name with the people they have had working for them. If its not TS for broadband its the sales people, who seam to push what they think is right, rather than what is right.

Everytime you ring, you get a diffrent reply ! and that person will say the other person is wrong AND he is right.

He/She is only right if you like whats being said

else blow them out and ring up again and get someone who knows even less

They have got a bad name due to the fact that its got something to do with NTL, well thats my opinion anyway.