Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops - Page 6

**Hugh** · 02-07-2007, 13:40

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If what you say is true, it's still hardly intrusive. You can chose to live your life without religion causing a major inconvenience, surely?

Unless you are gay, and an Anglican Bishop preaches that your lifestyle is morally degraded and illegitimate, and it is reported widely in the national newspapers and broadcast media - I would call that "inconvenient", myself.

Russ · 02-07-2007, 13:45

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Well, I think it is only fair to say that my spell at secondary school has caused a bit of resentment, so perhaps I've grown somewhat allergic to it.

So by commenting on something which you considered unpleasant, you're actually bringing it all back yourself?

I'm not having a go or anything, I'm just trying to work out why people feel the need to comment on something what the Bishops have said when it doesn't really impact on their lives.

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Incidentally, it appears to have done so with quite a few of my class mates who were brought up in a religious manner but decided against it. 'Hardly intrusive' are not the words I would use to describe the experience some of them had.

Yes - experiences they had. But are not currently having as they've all left school pressumably?

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Unless you are gay, and an Anglican Bishop preaches that your lifestyle is morally degraded and illegitimate, and it is reported widely in the national newspapers and broadcast media - I would call that "inconvenient", myself.

Well I'd call it inconvenient when people have a dig at my lifestyle too - but I take it on the chin.

So does that mean your objection is what he says is the reasons for these 'judgements'?

danielf · 02-07-2007, 13:46

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Unless you are gay, and an Anglican Bishop preaches that your lifestyle is morally degraded and illegitimate, and it is reported widely in the national newspapers and broadcast media - I would call that "inconvenient", myself.

Also, do we not have a Pope who has decreed that all Catholic politicians are required to vote against pro-abortion legislation wherever it arises? This caused a bit of an outrage in some RC circles I believe?

02-07-2007, 13:49

I think Russ people comment on this sort of thing because it comes from someone who has no right to say a thing about anyone does he know me you or any of us on this forum. Just because i don't choose to follow the teachings of some fairytale does not mean that i or anyone else is a bad person or deserves some sort of judgement. I have no problem with people that want to believe in religion each to their own but personally i wish religion would stay out of everyday life as it doesn't seem to help much. You are who you are because of your personal choices not some devine guidance but people make choices and then if they are not good choices grab the comfort blanket of an excuse to cover that choice the two bigest blankets being religion or politics.

**Hugh** · 02-07-2007, 13:50

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Well I'd call it inconvenient when people have a dig at my lifestyle too - but I take it on the chin.

So does that mean your objection is what he says is the reasons for these 'judgements'?

Russ, I don't believe a major figurehead in politics or religion has called your lifestyle "morally degraded" and "illegitimate" on national news and the newpapers, so that isn't really a fair comparison, is it?

I have already answered that question earlier (post #49).

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Right....so what exactly is it that people are objecting to here, the fact the man gave his opinion, that he believes these natural disasters are of God or what he believes is the reason for them?

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In my case, what he believes is the reason for them.

Russ · 02-07-2007, 13:52

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Russ, I don't believe a major figurehead in politics or religion has called your lifestyle "morally degraded" and "illegitimate" on national news and the newpapers, so that isn't really a fair comparison.

I have already answered that question earlier (post #49).

OK so it's more a case of these peoples' positions which has caused the objections?

Saaf_laandon_mo · 02-07-2007, 13:53

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Doesn't this happen all the time with "Mad Muslim Mullahs". I mean one of them just has to say something similar or even worse, without the benefit of spin, say, and he's vilified in the press etc, even though what he says doesnt have any impact on non muslim lives.

Now Im not talking about your extreme fundamental imams who preach jihad and want to kill all westerners blah blah blah, but I can guarantee that if someone from the MCB for exapmple, had said that the flooding in yoirkshire was caused by the immorality of people in the UK, a lot of you would be recommending he board the next PIA flight back to the stone ages.

danielf · 02-07-2007, 13:55

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So by commenting on something which you considered unpleasant, you're actually bringing it all back yourself?

I'm not sure what you mean there.

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I'm not having a go or anything, I'm just trying to work out why people feel the need to comment on something what the Bishops have said when it doesn't really impact on their lives.

Let's turn that around for a moment: why does the Bishop feel the need to comment on something that doesn't impact on his life?

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Yes - experiences they had. But are not currently having as they've all left school pressumably?

True, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a major event for them.

**Hugh** · 02-07-2007, 13:55

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Right....so what exactly is it that people are objecting to here, the fact the man gave his opinion, that he believes these natural disasters are of God or what he believes is the reason for them?

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OK so it's more a case of these peoples' positions which has caused the objections?

Sorry, Russ, I don't understand - what peoples' positions (not being obtuse, I just don't understand if you mean the Bishop or other people)?

Russ · 02-07-2007, 14:00

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I'm not sure what you mean there.

By discussing something which you found unpleasant several years ago, you're bringing all the memories back yourself?

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Let's turn that around for a moment: why does the Bishop feel the need to comment on something that doesn't impact on his life?

I believe he does feel it impacts on his life. A bishop is in a position of 'guidance' and is in the business of 'saving souls'. If he perceives something is threatening those souls then of course he'll feel it's his business

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True, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a major event for them.

I'm not saying otherwise

But they could try to put it all behind them?

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Sorry, Russ, I don't understand - what peoples' positions (not being obtuse, I just don't understand if you mean the Bishop or other people)?

Sorry - trying to work and post at the same time

I mean is it more to do with the fact that someone with the social standing of a Bishop is making these comments.

**Hugh** · 02-07-2007, 14:05

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Sorry - trying to work and post at the same time

I mean is it more to do with the fact that someone with the social standing of a Bishop is making these comments.

I know, mate - I am in the same position myself

(working from home today through the VPN).

It would be anyone making those comments; but anyone wouldn't have been reported so widely in the national press and broadcast media; with great power comes great responsibility

(I actually believe he is trying, in his own way, to help/"save" people, but I disagree with his viewpoint (as I am sure he disagrees with mine)), and believe these sort of proclamations could raise ill-feeling against gays.

danielf · 02-07-2007, 14:07

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By discussing something which you found unpleasant several years ago, you're bringing all the memories back yourself?

Not really, I was just telling you what has brought about my dislike of evangelical religions. Don't get me wrong. I have absolutely no problem with people being religious, as long as they keep it to themselves.

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I believe he does feel it impacts on his life. A bishop is in a position of 'guidance' and is in the business of 'saving souls'. If something he perceives something as threatening those souls then of course he'll feel it's his business

And there you have your answer. He feels it's his business, and I feel that my life is none of his business. Kindly stay out of it, intrusively or unintrusively.

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I'm not saying otherwise

But they could try to put it all behind them?

I'm sure they have.

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Sorry - trying to work and post at the same time

I mean is it more to do with the fact that someone with the social standing of a Bishop is making these comments.

Obviously, the fact that he is a senior person in the church has a lot to do with it.

Russ · 02-07-2007, 14:07

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I know, mate - I am in the same position myself

(working from home today through the VPN).

And I'm sitting here being distracted by my female supervisor's VPL but that's not important right now.

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It would be anyone making those comments; but anyone wouldn't have been reported so widely in the national press and broadcast media; with great power comes great responsibility

(I actually believe he is trying, in his own way, to help/"save" people, but I disagree with his viewpoint (as I am sure he disagrees with mine)), and believe these sort of proclamations could raise ill-feeling against gays.

People with perceived extreme views pop up in the media all the time, I'd suggest it's almost impossible to avoid them all - I just don't see what's so different about this example, other than possibly he's being rather un-PC.

Ramrod · 02-07-2007, 14:38

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So going a little deeper, you have to wonder why it was posted here.

To demonstrate the absurdities that can be generated by religious thinking...and it was funny; as I said in post #1, I didn't know if I should put it in humour or current affairs. I decided to put it in current affairs because the proclamation seemed to have a degree of smug nastiness to it...

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Russ · 02-07-2007, 14:42

And compare those to the number (and frequency) of religion bashing threads?

edit: and to be fair, 3 of your examples are just about how to deal with them - not actually bashing them. Nice effort though