Migrant workers help UK economy - Page 6

Womble · 20-06-2007, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Damien

I would not walk in any deprived areas at night without hesitation. Poverty breeds crime, not colour or race.

I read from many places, the latest being the History of Britain Documentry series on the BBC. But History books also confirm these events

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brixton_riot_(1981)

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erm that says Black youth?? being arrested so they rioted??!?!?!
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danielf · 20-06-2007, 13:21

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Originally Posted by womble

back on topic, the title is incorrect

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Originally Posted by danielf

Why? What inaccuracies/omissions are there in the report that Damien linked to?

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Saaf_laandon_mo · 20-06-2007, 13:21

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Originally Posted by sherer

the problem is without any immigrants on this forum and with what seems like no posts from anyone who knows any there is very little unbiased or even properly formed comments from anyone.. it's all based on so called reporting from papers and web site links and considering I could create a web site in 5 mins and put it on the net with my own views and some figures it's hardly conclusive

as i said before i'm not sure if the UK could survive without the migrant works I know I rely on them heavily just to get into and out of the office

my friend is an immigrant, albiet from Austria rather than Eastern Europe, but I know she pays taxes and contributes to society and has integrated very well but TBH i've no real idea if they are all like here and the ones I see on a day to day basis

I'm technically an immigrant (been here since 1975 tho) and most of my friends are 'immigrants' too.

Where I work the majority of the temps are immigrants (South Africans, Aussies, Albanians, a Lituanina and some Poles)

I think a lot of people on this forum know immigrants personally hence the discussions.

Womble · 20-06-2007, 13:22

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Originally Posted by danielf

Why? What inaccuracies/omissions are there in the report that Damien linked to?

The title "Migrant workers help UK economy" is wrong. How do they help? Theres 3 million unemployed, so no need to import workers is there. They are laso driving prices down for the working man, cos they dont pay tax etc.

But I'm bored of this thread now

Xaccers · 20-06-2007, 13:23

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Originally Posted by JackB

Xaccers, for a start who is me283?

Oh he's someone who's very similar to you, has an afinity for a certain ballerina, and a tendancy to deny the BNP are racist.
You know how it is, two people, a bit similar, getting their names mixed up, that's all.

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Originally Posted by JackB

I was speaking about a problem in schools with children who don't speak English. I've read some stories of teachers resorting to sign language to try and communicate. If the class are supposed to be listening to the teacher and she breaks off to try and explain what she's talking about to some other children, where does that leave the rest of the class?

You make school sound like it's a case of sitting at a desk reading all day. When I went to school we communicated with our teachers.

you make it sound like they're only in one class for the entire day, and only learn things via dictation.
Exactly how hold is your son?

danielf · 20-06-2007, 13:24

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Originally Posted by Womble

The title "Migrant workers help UK economy" is wrong. How do they help? Theres 3 million unemployed, so no need to import workers is there. They are laso driving prices down for the working man, cos they dont pay tax etc.

But I'm bored of this thread now

Have you read the report? It actually attempts to show this is not the case? Now, you may disagree with that, but I'd be interested to hear why (rather than just saying 'there's too many, period'.

**Damien** · 20-06-2007, 13:25

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Originally Posted by Womble

erm that says Black youth?? being arrested so they rioted??!?!?!
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Well, I am guessing that is after the intial fight. The the black community got wound up when they saw the stabbed black man, then the white people from around london arrived and full-scale riot happened/

Xaccers · 20-06-2007, 13:25

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Originally Posted by Womble

Am I? Silly me to engage such narrow minded people in a debate on how migrants effect employment.

You suggested that immigrants were affecting the English way of life through denying freedom of speech didn't you?

sherer · 20-06-2007, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I'm technically an immigrant (been here since 1975 tho) and most of my friends are 'immigrants' too.

Where I work the majority of the temps are immigrants (South Africans, Aussies, Albanians, a Lituanina and some Poles)

I think a lot of people on this forum know immigrants personally hence the discussions.

happy to be corrected on that score then.. just shows you can't know everything

**Damien** · 20-06-2007, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Womble

The title "Migrant workers help UK economy" is wrong. How do they help? Theres 3 million unemployed, so no need to import workers is there. They are laso driving prices down for the working man, cos they dont pay tax etc.

But I'm bored of this thread now

The report and news article says why.Besides, Post-War Britain was built with the help of Irish Immigrants

Saaf_laandon_mo · 20-06-2007, 13:29

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Originally Posted by Womble

The title "Migrant workers help UK economy" is wrong. How do they help? Theres 3 million unemployed, so no need to import workers is there. They are laso driving prices down for the working man, cos they dont pay tax etc.

But I'm bored of this thread now

Womble, could a lot of the 3 million unemployed be made up of workshy English natives that do not want to work. What about all the English single mums who are unemployed? And the dole spongers that happen to be English too?

I dont think we can just quote the unemployment figure and say that immigrant workers dont help the UK economy. They are a source of cheap labour, yes, but I would not say thats the majority of immigrants. Most of the ones I know still pay the market rent. Not all immigrants live 10 to a room/house etc etc.

JackB · 20-06-2007, 13:29

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you make it sound like they're only in one class for the entire day, and only learn things via dictation.
Exactly how hold is your son?

He's ten years old but I don't understand what that's got to do with it. This isn't just about my son, as I said earlier this is becoming a problem in many towns and cities with large immigrant populations. Did you read the article I linked to earlier?

danielf · 20-06-2007, 13:29

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Originally Posted by sherer

happy to be corrected on that score then.. just shows you can't know everything

I'm an immigrant as well.

**Damien** · 20-06-2007, 13:33

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Originally Posted by JackB

He's ten years old but I don't understand what that's got to do with it. This isn't just about my son, as I said earlier this is becoming a problem in many towns and cities with large immigrant populations. Did you read the article I linked to earlier?

What nationality? Most immgration is slow, it hasnt gone up that drastically in the last 10 years. Most schools kids from immgrant familys would have been born here.

Pierre · 20-06-2007, 13:42

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Womble, could a lot of the 3 million unemployed be made up of workshy English natives that do not want to work. What about all the English single mums who are unemployed? And the dole spongers that happen to be English too?

An there is the challenge that this government has failed to rise to. Get the spongers off benefits and get them working rather than let in loads of foreign workers.

Now that really would help the UK economy.