School forces girls to wear head scarves
18-10-2006, 15:35
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
Ideally, all religion should be separated from education, but that won't be happening any time soon thanks to this shambles of a government which has probably worsened the situation.
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18-10-2006, 15:36
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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we arent doing exclusive faith schools any more.
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That's why I chose it as an example.
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Ideally, all religion should be separated from education, but that won't be happening any time soon thanks to this shambles of a government.
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Who are you to call that ideal? What about the parents and children who will want religion in school?
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18-10-2006, 15:37
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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Yes - if that is part of the school's logo!
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i for the life of me cant see what your point is. so what if the cross is in the logo? it is still part of the uniform which must be worn regardless of a pupil's faith. if i designed a school logo incorporating a swastika would that be ok becasuse its simply part of the logo? of course not, it would rightly be seen as identifying a school with fascism in the same way a cross identifies a school with christianity.
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18-10-2006, 15:37
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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That's why I chose it as an example.
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Who are you to call that ideal? What about the parents and children who will want religion in school?
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I say to them, why indoctrinate? School is a place of learning. Why integrate religion into education.
Oh noes I just opened a new can of worms.
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18-10-2006, 15:41
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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You've missed the point entirely. Of course you can have a school symbol without its chosen faith being represented on it. What I'm trying to say is whatever logo the school chooses is something I believe all pupils should wear, whether religious symbol attached or not. It identifies which school the pupil comes from.
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its a point thats hard to see russ. whichever way you look at it, as part of the uniform or logo, it features an iconic christian symbol which non-christians may have to wear. and as you say aa school chooses a logo featuring christian iconography. it can equally choose not to.
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18-10-2006, 15:41
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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i for the life of me cant see what yoyr point is. so what if the cross is in the logo? it is still part of the uniform which must be worn regardless of a pupil's faith. if i designed a school logo incorporating a swastika would that be ok becasuse its simply part of the logo? of course not, it would rightly be seen as identifying a school with fascism in the same way a cross identifies a school with christianity.
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I believe all pupils should wear their school badge or logo. Nothing extra is required. It is up to the school to decide what should be on that logo, and the board of governors is unlikely to allow a symbol of Nazi Germany to to included.
Demanding pupils wear an extra item of clothing relating to the faith of that school is one step too far and is entirely different.
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18-10-2006, 15:43
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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I think another way to look at this is that forcing the children to wear a headscarf, whether or not they are muslim, would be the same as all children in a CoE/Catholic school to have to wear a neckless with the Cross on it. To me, both are unacceptable and force the child to be identified with a particular faith. Incorporated into their uniform just links them to their school.
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and it doesnt in any way link them to christianity? a marketeer would incorporate iconography wherever possible to promote christian ideology.
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18-10-2006, 15:43
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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I say to them, why indoctrinate? School is a place of learning. Why integrate religion into education.
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You don't think religion plays a huge part in world affairs? Without proper religious education people grow up thinking all religion causes wars.
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its a point thats hard to see russ.
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Only for you apparently. A school should be permitted to display whatever logo they chose on it's badge and all pupils, as part of that school should wear it!
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18-10-2006, 15:45
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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I believe all pupils should wear their school badge or logo. Nothing extra is required. It is up to the school to decide what should be on that logo, and the board of governors is unlikely to allow a symbol of Nazi Germany to to included.
Demanding pupils wear an extra item of clothing relating to the faith of that school is one step too far and is entirely different.
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sigh. if you believe it is up to the school to determine its logo is it not then also up to the school to determine its uniform?
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18-10-2006, 15:46
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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sigh. if you believe it is up to the school to determine its logo is it not then also up to the school to determine its uniform?
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Yes but veils are not part of conventional uniform (which is usually trousers/skirt, shirt/blouse, cardigan/jumper/blazer)! That simply relates to a faith!
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18-10-2006, 15:51
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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i for the life of me cant see what your point is. so what if the cross is in the logo? it is still part of the uniform which must be worn regardless of a pupil's faith. if i designed a school logo incorporating a swastika would that be ok becasuse its simply part of the logo? of course not, it would rightly be seen as identifying a school with fascism in the same way a cross identifies a school with christianity.
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I thought the common consensus here was that you aren't required to wear uniforms with logo's on
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18-10-2006, 15:54
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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Yes but veils are not part of conventional uniform (which is usually trousers/skirt, shirt/blouse, cardigan/jumper/blazer)! That simply relates to a faith!
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I'm very worried that I'm agreeing with you, especially when it 's over a religious matter,  but 
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18-10-2006, 15:59
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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Yes but veils are not part of conventional uniform (which is usually trousers/skirt, shirt/blouse, cardigan/jumper/blazer)! That simply relates to a faith!
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school logos do not need to incorporate crosses - that simply relates to faith.
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I thought the common consensus here was that you aren't required to wear uniforms with logo's on
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does not appear to be the case at all to me.
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18-10-2006, 16:00
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
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school logos do not need to incorporate crosses - that simply relates to faith.
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Anyone else fancy trying to get through to him?
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18-10-2006, 16:01
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Re: School forces girls to wear head scarves
hang on, isnt this a faith school so.....
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Anyone else fancy trying to get through to him?
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no need for that at all mr moderator. i find you equally hard work.
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