Designer babies Lords give thumbs up

[carlingman]

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

Erm I am actually assisting in research, and I feel that the infomation would be wasted on certain people as they are looking for an argument all the time.
Certain parts of the BMJ yes, I to have the relevent access that is required. I am working with a fellow that works for the BMJ and I think he would not be happy if I went handing out infomation willy nilly to people who do not understand. They would not understand some of the infomation the BMJ publishes. And I thought it was for students and healthcare professionals?? Well thats what I was told.
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Well would you like to tell my boss that, he would blow half of your statements out of the water. Why?? There are only a few people on this forum would understand. I am sad to say.

Sorry there was me thinking you were an Agency nurse and you seem to bleat on about this in several other threads.

Originally Posted by marina

Are you referrring to the BMJ ? If you are then everyone has access...... for now anyway http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/contents-by-date.2002.shtml

So it would be good if you could share so that those who don't know, in your opinion, will know

Allie, i work in the medical research field and have access, so if you post the references that you're referring to, i can make them available to the people that you think need them. It's not really fair not to share if we can help

As Kink oops Marina said it is common knowledge so get over it.

Originally Posted by dr wadd

Since you started this in PM, and then decided that you don`t want a PM reply I`ll just have to post one here.

This is the singularly most patronising comment I have *ever* seen on this forum. How dare you make presumptions about what people will understand. You have amply demonstrated that you are not worth debating with, and at the end of the day cannot actually engage in debate. I shall therefore not bother considering your posts in regard to this thread any more.

Time for Paul to put the lead back on me thinks.

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

Shows how arrogant Drs Actually are!!! I could not care less what you think and you continually patronise members of this forum. I can debate.
And yes I can thank you, I am not making presumptions as certain people I have talked to do not understand what I am doing. Oh I forgot we are below you arnt we??? Us nurses, dream on. Point of advice do that again and I will report you.

And of course you do not patronise members here, hmm pot/kettle/black springs to mind.



I donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t wish to get on peoples tits here but what I and my partner Julie would give for a Baby designer or not is anything or everything.

Having been through three miscarriages, two of which we knew about.

The third one both of us were unaware of as she is normally late and she started spotting and then went into what she thought was a diabetic pass out.

Imagine then when she woke up in the BUPA hospital my task of telling here not only had she had a diabetic related pass out but she had actually lost our child by way of another miscarriage.

Fortunately on this occasion she did not have to have a D&C (scrape out) as it is more commonly known.

We are still hoping for a child whether it is designer or not.

Originally Posted by carlingman

Time for Paul to put the lead back on me thinks

Muzzle would be more effective surely

Allie, I'm genuinely interested in how you manage your time. Any chance you could share some tips on how you juggle all the things you do - TA, MA, BMJ research, RMN, kids, nursing, 4x4 off roading etc. Seems awful busy! I wish I had your talent cos I struggle with my lowly workload.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by carlingman

Sorry there was me thinking you were an Agency nurse and you seem to bleat on about this in several other threads.







As Kink oops Marina said it is common knowledge so get over it.





Time for Paul to put the lead back on me thinks.



And of course you do not patronise members here, hmm pot/kettle/black springs to mind.



I donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t wish to get on peoples tits here but what I and my partner Julie would give for a Baby designer or not is anything or everything.

Having been through three miscarriages, two of which we knew about.

The third one both of us were unaware of as she is normally late and she started spotting and then went into what she thought was a diabetic pass out.

Imagine then when she woke up in the BUPA hospital my task of telling here not only had she had a diabetic related pass out but she had actually lost our child by way of another miscarriage.

Fortunately on this occasion she did not have to have a D&C (scrape out) as it is more commonly known.

We are still hoping for a child whether it is designer or not.

Back off Allie, she has lost more children than what she has given birth to. We have both suffered the same pain except it worked out. A nurse in the bupa hospital should have told your partner not you, so I think there is some what fairytale going on there.
I have seen the research Allie has been involved with and I do not understand it. The access Allie has is inclusive access to certain parts of the BMA website, as she is participating in research for the BMA, so get your facts right. Yes she is an agency nurse and I am very proud of her as she would have never been given the chance to do the work she is doing at the moment. You want you check your facts out properly before you decide to have a go at my wife. And do not go classing her as a dog as it offends me, as she is a very special woman who has given me two beautiful sons. So check your facts, before sounding off.
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Originally Posted by andyl

Muzzle would be more effective surely

Allie, I'm genuinely interested in how you manage your time. Any chance you could share some tips on how you juggle all the things you do - TA, MA, BMJ research, RMN, kids, nursing, 4x4 off roading etc. Seems awful busy! I wish I had your talent cos I struggle with my lowly workload.

And I do not think that is any of your business, we have two sets of excellent parents and maybe you should invest in time management as you seem to spend most of your time gobbing off on here with naff liberal views. Oh and get some friends, as they help us to!

[allieyoung666]

I do not like the muzzle comments, how about a nanny helps us and as Paul mentioned, it is none of your business. And you are so off topic. If you are so concerned how I manage my time have a word with Paul as he is more than happy to oblige! As have only started my research which is what I do when I am not working. The MA starts next yr, The TA is 1 night a week for 3 hours and the outdoors stuff I do on a weekend. I am begining to think you do not have a life and all you want to do is wind other people up. GET A LIFE!!!!

And I do not think that is any of your business, we have two sets of excellent parents and maybe you should invest in time management as you seem to spend most of your time gobbing off on here with naff liberal views. Oh and get some friends, as they help us to!

I was only asking how she did it. No need to get personal surely.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by andyl

I was only asking how she did it. No need to get personal surely.

ahhh but talk of muzzles , leads etc surely is getting personal , maybe it should end here and now , nuff said

[Xaccers]

I'd still like to know what genetic manipulation is involved in IVF...

[carlingman]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

Back off Allie, she has lost more children than what she has given birth to. We have both suffered the same pain except it worked out. A nurse in the bupa hospital should have told your partner not you, so I think there is some what fairytale going on there.

losing a baby is no fairy tale as you infer and if you had been through it you would know that.

FFS get your facts right no where in my post did I say a Nurse, it was the consultant who actually told me as next of kin as Julie had still not woken up from her diabetic lapse and they gave me the option to tell her or have a stranger the consultant to tell her.

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

I have seen the research Allie has been involved with and I do not understand it. The access Allie has is inclusive access to certain parts of the BMA website, as she is participating in research for the BMA, so get your facts right. Yes she is an agency nurse and I am very proud of her as she would have never been given the chance to do the work she is doing at the moment. You want you check your facts out properly before you decide to have a go at my wife. And do not go classing her as a dog as it offends me, as she is a very special woman who has given me two beautiful sons. So check your facts, before sounding off.
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Your the only here for assuming and tarring everyone with the same brush, just because you do not understand it does not mean other won't unless you are trying to say you are the most knowledgeable person here and if you cannot understand it then noone else possibly could.

And that was not my point originally by the way.

[paulyoung666]

hey we know it is not a blinkin fairy tale. You are not the only people to lose babies, me and Allie would love to have a girl, but as if recent we would not accept this, now we have finially accepted this and have had to get on with life. And do not FFS me, the consultant should have spoke to your partner as well as you. A strange way of going on?
What planet are you on??? Ill tell you what I get her to send some of her stuff down and you have a go. So now you mean to tell me I am a dunce???? I would like to know what you do for a living then???? She has worked hard, I have even seen her cry and nearly give up, but she keeps on going. I still do not think much to your earlier remarks about what she does and the lead comment.

[Xaccers]

Anyway, back on topic, exactly what genetic manipulation takes place during IVF, because as far as I'm aware there is none.

[paulyoung666]

Whats that got to do with designer babies, it is totally different.

Theres no question this is an emotive point,some will be for some against,im sure of one thing though,I could argue against it here but if either of my children(1 ive never seen ) where to ever be in a position to need this , I would do anything for them. I can imagine the pain parents in this position feel ,and hope and pray that im never put in the position to need this for medical use.
I am however totally against designing a child for taste ie what the sex is or hair colour etc
Hope this brings this very upsetting thread back on topic

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

Whats that got to do with designer babies, it is totally different.

Actually its not, designer babies are the 'gataka' that the majority are truely against, wich involves picking features such as eye colour, intelligence etc. It seems that they have chosen the phrase deisnger babies either out of ignorance or as a scare tactic for the article. What I believe this should have been called is "Selective Birthing, Lords give thumbs up" but that doesnt bring nearly as bad imagery as "Designer babies" does it?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

Whats that got to do with designer babies, it is totally different.

You know that, and I know that, but someone has said that this is playing with genes and genetic manipulation is taking place in the process, which suggests that you and I are wrong.
Now this person also said they have inside information which shows we don't know what we're talking about, I'd like to know what this information is so that I can be corrected, because currently it is my understanding that this process is identical to IVF apart from testing the embryoes and only implanting those with genetic matches. If I am wrong, I would like to know

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Anyway, back on topic, exactly what genetic manipulation takes place during IVF, because as far as I'm aware there is none.

I could be wrong, but I don't think there is any genetic manipulation.

I think the main concern here is that it looks like the technology involved COULD be used for manipulating the physical attributes of a baby. I realise that is theoretical though.