racism

[danielf]

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
The problem with education is simply some people dont want to do any more than they have to, we need people that will do low skilled jobs, such as working in factories.
Not everyone has the aptitude to be a skilled craftsman, a tradesman, a doctor etc etc what do they do? simply sit and live on handouts while immigrants take jobs they are capable of doing?
And whilst we still have serious unemployment we should not be adding insult to injury to those who for educational reasons cannot obtain a job paying them £20 - £30 grand a year.

No, I'm with you there, but if people don't want to do more than they have to, than that is not going to benefit this country in the long run either. This alway has been, and always will be the case. And mind you, some factory work is pretty skilled, and as technology progresses, it will become more so.

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by danielf
There's just no pleasing you is there

[Escapee]

kronas said

it makes me so angry that people are so blinkred they believe anything and everything that they read and hear its absolute stupidity the media the goverment have people wrapped round there fingers as they dont think hang on a minuite is this correct is it a bias etc

I have joined this thread a bit late and only had a brief look so sorry if I am saying what someone has allready said.

I seem to remember the government back early last year were denying that this country had a problem with asylum seekers/immigrants/illegals or whatever we wish to call them.
I then seem to remember them backtraccking and saying we had a problem after every newspaper was reporting it.

There was an article in one of the papers this week about stolen identity, and the newspaper I believe obtained passports and birth cirtificates etc from foriegn gangs who are carrying out these activities in this country. I think the government/passport office released figures for lost passports and forged/stolen ones used by these people.

What really gets me going, is if you mention that you do not agree with these people flooding into the country you are classed as a nasty viscous racist by people who just want to give you that label instead of entering a sensible discussion about it

[kronas]

Originally posted by Escapee

What really gets me going, is if you mention that you do not agree with these people flooding into the country you are classed as a nasty viscous racist by people who just want to give you that label instead of entering a sensible discussion about it

to a certain extent i agree with that there should be a stemming of the flow of immigration and some should be transported to other countries but i what i dont like to see is this we dont need them they are sucking the country dry attitude because its not correct there are abusers of any system but there are those who want to come to this country for a better life and work pay there taxes and improve this country for the better

[Escapee]

http://www.voice-online.net/content....ow=2153&type=1

This article raised a smile just goes to show that not all BNP members appear to be the same.

[tomaw]

Originally posted by Lord Nikon
I would take that as a sign of peoples dissatisfaction with the "mainstream" candidates really rather than a vote FOR the BNP.

We have had a conservative govt... they messed up the country, we are STILL recovering from their actions.
Labour aren't doing much better. People want a change, but who to vote for?

I am too young to be able to comment on this, but did the Conservatives inherit large debt from the previous labour government? I would not bring this as an excuse for the general state of the country however. We need a state of the nation address...

Racism is and always has been a big problem, and not just in the UK, a couple of centuries ago people went to the US on the mayflower, and proceded to almost eradicate the indigenous population, same thing has happened wherever we have set foot. Australia, South Africa, etc etc. We can hope that we educate the bigotry out of people, but it seems persistant.

History is often bad on reflection....

My personal opinion is that we should close the refugee floodgates and ship some of them to france, germany, in fact any country other than the UK. This is not bigotry, this is economics. This country is having trouble sustaining its existing populace, by accepting more immigrants we are stretching the resources even further, taxation etc is causing the closure or relocation of many businesses outside the country, disposable income has never been so low, unemployment is STILL high, we need to curb this, not increase the amounts.

Whilst I agree with the idealogy of "Do not give charity until you have food at home", I fear that international issues are less simplistic. What are the people escaping? Whilst I am very certain that some of the people (at least some) are pushing the point, some are surely genuine.

I am probably very bias in this though, I have a job, flat, money etc etc and have not just lost anything to someone who hid in a freight lorry from France.

A Prerequisite for living in the UK should be the ability to speak english, (as should the ability to speak german be a prerequisite for living in germany) Or at least show willingness to LEARN the language.

Too many times is language / colour / race used as an excuse for "misunderstandings", as is the saying "They grew up in a different culture", sorry, that does NOT hold water. The laws of a country should apply to ALL, Ignorance is NOT a defence.

Whilst I also agree to this in sentiment, I am not sure I would put it so broad. People working were they need to deal with the public should speak English. I am fed up with spelling my name and the day of the week in phonetics to someone that cannot understand or speak English enough to order a portion of fish and chips. (ignore fact that large portion of fish and chip shop owners may be from a abroad - they cook good chips)

There are as many white people I know who are a***oles as there are asians, in fact some of the most honest people I know are asian, as are some of the least honest. Race or colour does not define a person, a person is defined by his or her actions.

In the same way, I have yet to meet a black person that objects to being called a black person. I have to say that I would take serious issue with anyone thinking that I was being racist for such a comment. I am by no means racist. But logically, if a mans skin is black, he is a black man.
I have to admit that I can only think of a few occasions where it would be useful to describe a persons skin colour, all connection to identifying them. ie: "Did you see Jack come through here, large black man, blue suit etc etc"

The legal system in the uk is totally messed up, People like tony martin face jail for defending their property, criminals are free to sue the people they

he killed a person, and was judged by the law. OK the law may be wrong, but the theory of the system is good. OK the actuallity of the system may be less good.

commit crimes against. Asians avoid issues with the police by claiming racial prejudice when they are pulled over for driving a car with 3 bald tyres, a 5 year old tax disc at 60mph through a 20 zone, with no tax / mot / license and they get away with it. It is not their fault they do this, it is the fault of a legal system that allows it to happen. (Although admittedly some police forces DO target non white people)

I agree with this very much so. Some, not some, people "play the race card".

Thing is, what can we do about it? The laws are decided by people who have little or no idea of what happens in the real world to a majority of people. Even New Labour have no idea, and the idea of that party was for a political force led by the working man.

We should scrap the legal system, scrap the politicians and start over again, electing people into power who DO know, creating laws which no longer give favour to criminals / children. Start trying to make Britain Great again.

We have done this throughout history. It doesnt seem to have worked so far, so why repeat a failed theory? I am not sure who still has power to remove UK government, I presume the Queen does. I am sure it could be argues that it would be better that way, at least by some. One person controlling all seems a bad idea to me, but then so does what we have.

[Edit] Please note, I do not mean PERMANENTLY close the refugee borders... merely until we can sustain ourselves again, and have a growth economy capable of sustaining them

Overall, there are many answers to the situation. None of the work for everyone. Some of the work for some people. The only sure thing is that "the people" themselves need to change as well as the law etc.

I have typed enough, just wanted to add my bit to the record :-)

Tom