Euthanasia? - Page 6

27-07-2004, 19:29

Me? I havn't killed any one. Where the hell have you got that from?

**Mick** · 27-07-2004, 19:30

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

You're killing someone who didn't want to die. Of course it is murder!

Your going round in circles now and its beginning to irritate me so I suggest you cease posting in this thread until you have anything fresh to say or come up with.

**Maggy** · 27-07-2004, 19:30

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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

how can anyone be as cold as you , or is the enviroment you live in rubbing off on you

forget it paul you cannot win against the entrenched closed mind.I'm unsubscribing from this very emotive thread.I should never even have read it,let alone posted to it,knowing some of the pillocks that visit the site.

Incog.

27-07-2004, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

forget it paul you cannot win against the entrenched closed mind.I'm unsubscribing from this very emotive thread.I should never even have read it,let alone posted to it,knowing some of the pillocks that visit the site.

Incog.

I shouldn't have posted actually, or I would keep posting again.

*shuts up*

paulyoung666 · 27-07-2004, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

You're killing someone who didn't want to die. Of course it is murder!

pathetic , and you know why

neel2k · 27-07-2004, 19:34

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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

so ............. a person is in a permanent vegative state , and ........ , the medical community is of the opinion that they will never recover , that person should be allowed to potentially suffer for the rest of its natural life , sorry but no way

What if this person was born like this, then this person would not know any diffrent, what would be seen as sufrering to us may seen normal to the person.

paulyoung666 · 27-07-2004, 19:36

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Originally Posted by neel2k

What if this person was born like this, then this person would not know any diffrent, what would be seen as sufrering to us may seen normal to the person.

and a valid point you have there , although i would hope that the said person would not have been brought into this world in the first place

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 19:36

No I don't. You're killing someone that didn't want to die. That is murder.

What prevents me, by the same reasoning, to go to a very depressed person, murdering him, and then saying it is justified? You can't prove that that person didn't want to die.

Unless proven otherwise, one has to assume that all people want to stay alive. If you don't, you're breaking society down and I can present you with a list of people that are in need to be euthanized. (Nevermind their opinion, they never expressed they want to live and I'm just going to assume their life is miserable enough to justify them being murdered.)

Stuart · 27-07-2004, 19:36

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

Well yes, duh, we did say that assisted suicide and euthanasia are different...

Good, because in your initial post, you appeared to not understand there was a difference.

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Of course, just like I can see the reason a thief would have to murder the witness. It doesn't change the outcome: someone is dead, someone who may NOT have wanted to be dead.

I find it extremely ironic that all the people that are willing to commit murder, not knowing for sure that the person wants to die, yet the same folks argue against the death penalty because an innocent person may be executed.

I find it ironic that somebody who has actually said he would kill a trespasser on his property would not kill somebody who has a terminal disease. But, that is off topic.

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Actually, yes I have seen "somebody." It still didn't bring murderous thoughts up in my mind. NAh. I'm just not a murderer.

OK. Sorry for your loss. How would you have reacted if they had *asked* you to kill them. For the record, although I don't know (as I stated in a previous post), I probably wouldn't.

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Think: What is the reason for you murdering that person? Because you feel sorry for yourself to SEE that person like that, or because you think that person would want to die? Or perhaps it is because YOU would want to die if you were in a situation like that? Can you be 100% confident when you take it upon yourself to sentence that person to death?

And that is the crux of the matter. Well put..

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 19:41

If someone asks me to kill them, and I can see they want to die, and I'm sure it isn't just a mental illness?

That is a problem, and I have no solution over it. I don't know what I would do, but I would not prosecute or think worse of someone who did take some action, weather it be helping that person kill himself or refusing to do so. Provided, he can at least back his claim that the person asked him to kill him.

I don't know what I would do, but I do know that others have a right to assisted suicide. Just mind you, if I come accross someone dying, I will try to save him, even if it was a suicide or assisted suicide.

Stuart · 27-07-2004, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

If someone asks me to kill them, and I can see they want to die, and I'm sure it isn't just a mental illness?

That is a problem, and I have no solution over it. I don't know what I would do, but I would not prosecute someone who did take some action. Provided, he can at least back his claim that the person asked him to kill him.

I don't know what I would do, but I do know that others have a right to assisted suicide. Just mind you, if I come accross someone dying, I will try to save him, even if it was a suicide or assisted suicide.

Fair enough. That's actually the point I have been trying to get across. It is very complicated, and I don't think anyone can know exactly how they would react.

As with you, if I found somebody who had tried to commit suicide, I would also try and save them (or at least keep them alive long enough to get to hospital). Luckily I have never been in that position.

Actually, Jerrek, and this is a

question, but you have said you are a paramedic. Isn't it true that in Canada if you are medically qualified and find an injured person, you are required by law to assist them?

Jerrek · 27-07-2004, 19:55

off topic: If you walk towards that person, everyone is required to assist, even if it is only calling 911. The reasoning behind this is that by virtue of you walking to the injured person, another person that would have helped changed his mind because he saw you dealing with the situation.

Being a paramedic has got nothing to do with it, except in Quebec. In Quebec if you're qualified you have to help to the extend that you can.

Stuart · 27-07-2004, 19:56

Thanks.

**Damien** · 27-07-2004, 20:36

THe real issue is who carrys out the act. Asking a friend/family to kill you in unfair on them and puts them in a difficult decision

I think we should have a medical option to do this.

paulyoung666 · 27-07-2004, 20:40

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Originally Posted by Damien

THe real issue is who carrys out the act. Asking a friend/family to kill you in unfair on them and puts them in a difficult decision

I think we should have a medical option to do this.

and there is if you want to travel to switzerland , dignitas