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But Boris Johnson explicitly said not to do this. Doing it when you have COVID-19 is even worse! The whole point of not moving around the country and not seeing relatives is to avoid spreading the virus.
Yes he said not do that yes, but if there is an exception and there is a jolly good one, both parents are ill with Covid-19 and they want to do the right thing and protect the child from getting it, their right to do so then that is the exception to what Boris says.
Yes he said not do that yes, but if there is an exception and there is a jolly good one, both parents are ill with Covid-19 and they want to do the right thing and protect the child from getting it, their right to do so then that is the exception to what Boris says.
I think their argument isn't to stop the child getting it? After all, if two parents have already caught it it's highly likely the child has been exposed to it as well and certainly would have more chance to be so in the day's drive up North. I mean if you want to avoid them getting infected - don't sit in a car with them for hours.
It was that childcare was available if they both fell badly ill.
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Originally Posted by Damien
But Boris Johnson explicitly said not to do this. Doing it when you have COVID-19 is even worse! The whole point of not moving around the country and not seeing relatives is to avoid spreading the virus.
Breaking self-isolation is to think childcare I think is understandable, travelling 250 miles to your parents so they can provide that childcare is not IMO. Could they really not do this with someone in London?
Presumably not. That you have to ask means he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
I think their argument isn't to stop the child getting it? After all, if two parents have already caught it it's highly likely the child has been exposed to it as well and certainly would have more chance to be so in the day's drive up North. I mean if you want to avoid them getting infected - don't sit in a car with them for hours.
It was that childcare was available if they both fell badly ill.
But could they not do this in London?
Yes he should have done it locally as much as possible but perhaps he couldn't have got someone to agree to look after his child for a full week at such short notice?
Given what both happened to Niall Ferguson and Catherine Calderwood and you were PM what would you do?.
In the current incumbents case, what ever cummings tells him to do
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
And who doesn't go to his mum when he's ill ?
Someone with a virus that'll potentially kill her
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
There is a culture of hatred and bullying involved in this witch hunt, no doubt because of his involvement in Brexit.
More likely no doubt because there's many people like me who have carried on working throughout and haven't seen their partner in the flesh since mid march coz she's shielding with blood cancer or their children since around the same time because they don't want to run the risk of infecting them and all the while that time is growing longer because people won't follow the clearest of instructions
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
C'mon, jfman. I would have expected you above many others to project an objective view.
I don't know whether or not you have children - but putting myself into a similar situation when mine were young, and knowing how flu lays you very low, looking after a young child would be my greatest worry. I'd have zoomed off to the mother in law's gaff in Rutland and in present circumstances would have found a way of isolating in one bedroom.
Yeah and sod anyone unfortunate enough to encounter you on the way there
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
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Originally Posted by pip08456
His wife did not mention the location. The Daily Mail assumed. Every quote of her in the article is from the Spectator piece she did.
I believe that is why it is known as the Daily Fail,quite surprised some are now quoting it as a reliable news source
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Yes he said not do that yes, but if there is an exception and there is a jolly good one, both parents are ill with Covid-19 and they want to do the right thing and protect the child from getting it, their right to do so then that is the exception to what Boris says.
But the exception was only announced two weeks after Dominic Cummings had set off on his trip.
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Sources close to Mr Cummings earlier cited comments made by deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries, who suggested in "exceptional circumstances" parents too ill to look after a child could rely on family support, among other options.
But Dr Harries made her remarks almost two weeks after Mr Cummings travelled north.
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
It wasn't done on a whim, or to deliver a birthday cake, or to attend 2 funerals of people they had no connection with. It was done with a very specific purpose in mind, and one that most people would've done in the circumstances.
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In a statement, Downing Street said: "Owing to his wife being infected with suspected coronavirus and the high likelihood that he would himself become unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for. "His sister and nieces had volunteered to help so he went to a house near to, but separate from, his extended family in case their help was needed. His sister shopped for the family and left everything outside.
"At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported.
"His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines."
If his extended family had lived in London, then it would've been a lot simpler.
What would other people have done in those difficult circumstances?
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Originally Posted by Damien
But Boris Johnson explicitly said not to do this. Doing it when you have COVID-19 is even worse! The whole point of not moving around the country and not seeing relatives is to avoid spreading the virus.
Breaking self-isolation is to think childcare I think is understandable, travelling 250 miles to your parents so they can provide that childcare is not IMO. Could they really not do this with someone in London?
He DIDN'T see his relatives.
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"His sister and nieces had volunteered to help so he went to a house near to, but separate from, his extended family in case their help was needed. His sister shopped for the family and left everything outside.
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Originally Posted by Mick
Bollocks. I am defending him because he broke no rules, or broke any laws, big bloody difference, so don't you come to me with this kind of BS.
Other thing is - I even defended Labour's Stephen Kinnock who visited his parents dropping off essentials to a vulnerable group, his elderly parents.
Since when is a birthday cake an essential item? Were there no other Labour party people available in England? Were there no deliveries of shopping available in his area?
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
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Originally Posted by nomadking
Since when is a birthday cake an essential item? Were there no other Labour party people available in England? Were there no deliveries of shopping available in his area?
Sorry nomad, I ain't going through this discussion with you again, old argument that I have zero interest in returning to and yes I still stick by what I said at the time, but I am not doing this with you again today.
In other news, Campbell kicking and screaming I believe about Cummings...
Just seen this tweeted...
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if Alistair Campbell and Tony Blair took Britain to war on a false prospectus, Dominic Cummings going to Durham seems less serious.
(Campbell did not resign)
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