Reform UK's chronicles

Well they will already have been introduced by then, are you suggesting he'll dump them ?

I think if the system is fully up and running they won't ditch them. But that's a big if.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is not the policy, though. He is clear about that. Everyone who has ILR will have that revoked; only those who are deemed to qualify for a skilled visa will be allowed to stay.

So that includes people who've been here most of their lives and either don't have a skilled enough job or are retired. If someone comes here in their 20s from Australia, settled, applies legally to stay here and then just gets on with life, then they are a target for deportation.



Again, that's not the policy. If they've paid into the system, it still won't matter. Not only is their pension gone but they'll have their right to stay here taken away and won't be able to apply for a skilled visa.

Why would such people not be entitled to the pension that they've paid for?

AIUI it's paid at the rate it was when they left the UK, but is frozen ie not uprated:

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-if-you-retire-abroad

BBC News - Ex-Reform politician admits Russia-linked bribery charges

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6xwy015ngo

Reform UK's former leader in Wales has admitted taking bribes to make statements in favour of Russia while being a Member of the European Parliament.

Nathan Gill, 52, from Llangefni, Anglesey, pleaded guilty to eight counts of bribery between 6 December 2018 and 18 July 2019.

The politician took money from Oleg Voloshyn - a man once described by the US government as a "pawn" of Russian secret services - and made speeches in the parliament, statements to a TV channel and arranged an event with a pro-Russian politician.

Gill will be sentenced in November and his defence barrister said he expected to be jailed.

[OLD BOY]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...of-deportation

[EXTRACT]

. In response to questions from journalists, Yusuf clarified that the policy would not apply to EU citizens who have been granted settled status in the UK. But he said there were “a lot of EU nationals in this country who are drawing on universal credit, so you can expect Nigel’s government to open negotiations with the European Union specifically about the welfare aspect”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9nyex12j5o

[EXTRACT]

The BBC's Nick Robinson asked whether pensioners would suddenly have to leave the country after many years due to the change in their status.
Kruger replied: "Of course there's no intention to have some sort of pensioner deportation programme," adding these residents should apply for British citizenship.

[Sephiroth]

What might be the complementary numbers of Brits settled in the EU and the retaliation that might be visited upon them?

Reform UK really need to think things through before spouting off.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What might be the complementary numbers of Brits settled in the EU and the retaliation that might be visited upon them?

Reform UK really need to think things through before spouting off.

Yep!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What might be the complementary numbers of Brits settled in the EU and the retaliation that might be visited upon them?

Reform UK really need to think things through before spouting off.

Interesting point. I wonder if Farage is gambling that other countries won't stoop to his level? Or Reform have not just thought it through as you suggest?

[Carth]

Reform seem to be on a roll here.

Farage makes yet another announcement on how they *may* work on immigration . . ID cards . . housing whatever, and the media run with it.

Farage sits back and laughs as Starmer - yet again - does the knee jerk thing and digs himself a deeper hole

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

Reform seem to be on a roll here.

Farage makes yet another announcement on how they *may* work on immigration . . ID cards . . housing whatever, and the media run with it.

Farage sits back and laughs as Starmer - yet again - does the knee jerk thing and digs himself a deeper hole

yep Starmer is reforms top recruiter

[1andrew1]

Farage's Brexit fantasy was buried years ago. Now it looks like his cost-saving fantasy has followed the same inevitable journey.

Reform likely to raise Kent council tax after cost-cutting drive falters

Nigel Farage’s party promised to revive local authority finances by slashing wasteful spending

Kent was one of 10 English councils that Nigel Farage’s rightwing populist party seized in a swath of victories at local elections in May this year. He vowed to save “a lot of money” by abolishing “wasteful” spending.

But Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

“We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.”

As with many local authorities in England, the bulk of Kent’s budget is spent on adult and children’s social care, as well as on children with special education needs, which together accounted for about 50 per cent of its £2.5bn annual expenditure.

All councils have a legal duty to balance their books and will set next year’s budgets in February or March. Ahead of that, most councils in England are expected to increase council tax by 5 per cent, the maximum allowed.

“I think it’s going to be 5 per cent,” Morton said of where Kent county council would land on tax rises, adding that every 1 per cent increase would equate to an extra £10mn raised.

Reform’s experience in Kent highlights some of the obstacles it may face in national government if it won the next general election and attempted to follow through on its pledge to slash taxes and public spending.

“Everyone thought we’d come in and there were going to be these huge costs we could cut away but there just aren’t,” said a third senior Reform cabinet member in Kent. They said the priority was improving services.

https://www.ft.com/content/277c6a95-...b-b757693955ca

[Dingbat]

When populism meets the real world.

Non paywall link


https://archive.ph/9UwVb

Reform can go on about waste and no doubt find examples, but it's peanuts compared to the cost councils have when it comes to providing social care. It's a huge cost that's passed off to local councils that really should be on the national government.

[Carth]

No idea if it's only my area, but Social Services are a total mess here.

Seems like there are now too many different departments all screaming that their needs are greater than the others, experienced staff are leaving (and not being replaced), and every week there are new (confusing) guidelines released on what you can and can't do and say.

oh, money to work with? . . what money?

Wife quit a few months ago, now works elsewhere with more hours for 2/3 of the salary she was getting . . and is happy as a pig in . . .