smoking and the pub

[clarie]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Unless you think that non-smokers should be banned from going into the smoking area?

No. I was actually referring to lippy's comment that 'let's just wait and see how long it will be before the non-smokers try and come into the smoking room.'

Originally Posted by lippy

You can't see how you're contradicting yourself?
....BEGGERS BELIEF!

Perhaps you are not making yourself clear. Please explain how I am contradicting myself.

Originally Posted by andyl

Cars are also functional things (not that I'm advocating in any way ignoring the dangers of air pollution)

Originally Posted by SlackDad

So are cigarettes for many people esp. as I have already argued many suffering from mental health problems.

Not comparably so.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by andyl

Hmmm, we had the debate about protecting staff before didn't we?! Scratchs head, pulls toe nails out, seks distraction - any distraction - from this interminable thread.

Sorry, but as the law is not in already, I feel fairly safe in assuming that anyone that currently wokrs in a pub isn't too fussed about smoking. You've have to be a complete and utter idiot to take a job like that if you don't like smoke.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Chris T

Something else I've said before is to draw the parallel with road traffic law. Do you resent the curtailment of your right to choose to drive at 90mph through a built-up area while steaming drunk, or do you agree that it is acceptable to curtail freedom of choice when there are larger health and safety issues at stake?

The analogy isn't consistent with the smoking argument. Drunk drivers kill innocent people. People don't choose to be in a drunk driver's path. There is no choice there.

I am talking about giving non-smokers the choice wether they want to be next to smokers or not.

Firefighting, police work is risky work, but you can't devise laws to stop people taking those jobs. You have to let people decide how much risk they want to take for themselves.

[SlackDad]

Originally Posted by clarie

Not comparably so.

Very comparably so to those who need them in the same way that someone needs a car. Smoking for some is a huge coping mechanism.

Originally Posted by orangebird

This is the point I'm making. Cars are useful to some of the non-smokers on here, it's OK for them to keep those on the road. BUt because they don't smoke, they'll support a blanket ban.

Fags aren't functional, was the point I was making

[Pia]

Originally Posted by orangebird

You've have to be a complete and utter idiot to take a job like that if you don't like smoke.

WTF?? How do you come up with these assumptions?

Nealry every single non smoker i know, doesn't care about passive smoking.
In fact, at work they all come out to the smoking area.
I haven't met many anti smokers in my life at all- so what makes you think that everyone who works in a smoking bar ahould be either a smoker or an idiot?

Originally Posted by SlackDad

Very comparably so to those who need them in the same way that someone needs a car. Smoking for some is a huge coping mechanism.

When we covered that aspect, however, we also learned, did we not, that smoking contributes to depression in those that later quit as it depresses production of serotonin, and that it masks mental health issues from being professionally dealt with because smokers 'self medicate' (and, ironically, poison themselves in the process).

I think that in the long term, the nation's mental health would still be better without tobacco. No serotonin deficiency, and professional help for those who need it, rather than a poisonous habit.

[punky]

Originally Posted by andyl

Fags aren't functional, was the point I was making

To you. To others they are a stress release mechanism.

[Pia]

This thread makes me need a fag.......

Originally Posted by punky

To you. To others they are a stress release mechanism.

So is masturbation. Thank your stars they're not making that illegal.

[clarie]

Originally Posted by SlackDad

Very comparably so to those who need them in the same way that someone needs a car. Smoking for some is a huge coping mechanism.

I have no idea what sort of responses you would get if you told all smokers that they either have it quit, or give up their cars. But anyway the point is, if you looked at the population as a whole, and asked what was more important, cigarettes, or cars, you know what response you would get.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Chris T

So is masturbation. Thank your stars they're not making that illegal.

Oi!!!

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Chris T

So is masturbation. Thank your stars they're not making that illegal.

Coming ( *ahem*) from the guy that wears glasses - you know it makes you blind, don't you

[SlackDad]

Originally Posted by clarie

I have no idea what sort of responses you would get if you told all smokers that they either have it quit, or give up their cars. But anyway the point is, if you looked at the population as a whole, and asked what was more important, cigarettes, or cars, you know what response you would get.

Quite possibly so, and this is why we have 39000 deaths from vehicle emmisons and 59 bar staff deaths from passive smoking.

[Kliro]

Originally Posted by Chris T

So is masturbation. Thank your stars they're not making that illegal.

Haha, I've got strange thoughts about sealed off rooms in pubs now...