29-11-2021, 09:22
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#8461
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
We did 100 years ago and will in time do so again I'm sure, funny thing is though 100 years ago people could actually wear a mask.
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The same arguments happened then as now unfortunately.
https://www.history.com/news/1918-sp...ing-resistance
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29-11-2021, 10:20
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vox populi vox dei
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Re: Coronavirus
piers Corbyn and friends on wearing masks, this could be the xmas no 1.
Piers Corbyn led the mob beamoaning the new restrictions in video
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-trousers.html
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29-11-2021, 10:39
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#8463
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
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Do they know it's Covid time at all?
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29-11-2021, 10:45
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Blackshep
No hugh it doesn't but then neither does flu and the last time we shut the nation down for flu since the 50's?, stop acting as though this is a virus with a high mortality rate because it isn't
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COVID was the leading cause of death in the U.K. in 2020…
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...auses-of-death
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Based on provisional data, the leading cause of death in 2020 in both England and Wales was COVID-19, accounting for 12.1% of all deaths in England and 11.7% of all deaths in Wales.
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It’s currently the third leading cause of death in the U.K. in the latest figures.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat.../september2021
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Coronavirus (COVID-19) was the third leading cause of death, in September 2021, in England (accounting for 6.6% of all deaths registered in September) and in Wales (accounting for 8.5% of all deaths).
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29-11-2021, 14:05
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#8465
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Re: Coronavirus
It's mortality rate is between 1 & 2% people are not dying in droves or dropping dead in the streets the response is out of proportion and increasing amounts of people are agreeing.
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29-11-2021, 14:27
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Blackshep
It's mortality rate is between 1 & 2% people are not dying in droves or dropping dead in the streets the response is out of proportion and increasing amounts of people are agreeing.
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between 1% and 2% . . .
5.2 million deaths worldwide from a population of 7.9 billion
although the figure possibly, might, maybe, could, be correct for the UK, not trying to open up old arguments about 'with' and 'from'
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29-11-2021, 14:36
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Blackshep
It's mortality rate is between 1 & 2% people are not dying in droves or dropping dead in the streets the response is out of proportion and increasing amounts of people are agreeing.
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First you compared it to the flu
2018 deaths from flu - 1598
2019 deaths from flu - 1223
2020 deaths from COVID - 72718
2021 (so far) deaths from COVID - 71k (approx.)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/trans...0182019and2020
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...er-2020-report
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ion-in-the-uk/
Now you’re using the old "percentage" gambit, rather than actual figures, but if you compare normal number of deaths in the U.K. (around 600,000) versus the number of COVID deaths (around 70,000 each year in the last two years), not quite so "out of proportion".
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29-11-2021, 14:46
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
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Yup, there's a good reason why governments round the world are taking the action they're taking.
It's healthy to critique what governments are saying and not take what anyone says at face value without digging into the facts. But you need to do the legwork and look at the evidence, as you have done.
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29-11-2021, 14:50
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#8469
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Blackshep
It's mortality rate is between 1 & 2% people are not dying in droves or dropping dead in the streets the response is out of proportion and increasing amounts of people are agreeing.
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That's a higher mortality rate than Lassa Fever, Polio, Whooping Cough, Malaria and Hepatitis A ( source) but much easier to catch
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29-11-2021, 14:52
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Re: Coronavirus
I wonder how many of the 70,000 odd covid attributable deaths would have died of something else anyway and been part of the 600,000?
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29-11-2021, 15:01
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vox populi vox dei
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
I wonder how many of the 70,000 odd covid attributable deaths would have died of something else anyway and been part of the 600,000?
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Like had heart attack but had mild covid symptoms weeks earlier , had cancer but had mild covid symptoms weeks earlier ,fell off a roof but had mild covid symptoms weeks earlier ...................
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29-11-2021, 15:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Like had heart attack but had mild covid symptoms weeks earlier , had cancer but had mild covid symptoms weeks earlier ,fell off a roof but had mild covid symptoms weeks earlier ...................
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Maybe didn't even need symptoms, a positive test would be suffice . . . although statistics are statistics and not to be argued with
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29-11-2021, 15:32
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Carth
Maybe didn't even need symptoms, a positive test would be suffice . . . although statistics are statistics and not to be argued with
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it's quite a serious breach of trust though if the figures are being manipulated and the actual covid deaths are much lower.
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29-11-2021, 15:58
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Not really, you started with the vehicular analogy, my apologies if you can’t follow where I’m taking it.
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29-11-2021, 16:52
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
it's quite a serious breach of trust though if the figures are being manipulated and the actual covid deaths are much lower.
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I think you may have a good point there.
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