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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Reform have made a mistake with their immigration policy. They may have thought it all through, but their public announcements have fallen short of explaining the exceptions that would be allowed. For example, someone who has had ILR for 20 years and has paid their way during that time: will they have to reapply and what would the criteria be?

Well, this is it. If they're still a skilled worker, they're ok, but if they're retired, their pension is gone and they'll be told to leave!

There are so many people here legally, who've worked all their lives here in some cases, and will be deported.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well, this is it. If they're still a skilled worker, they're ok, but if they're retired, their pension is gone and they'll be told to leave!

There are so many people here legally, who've worked all their lives here in some cases, and will be deported.

... and that is what is not clear from Reform's public announcements - at least to my mind.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

... and that is what is not clear from Reform's public announcements - at least to my mind.

Farage was asked and said 'If they're not British Citizens, why are we paying them a pension' so....

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Damien

Farage was asked and said 'If they're not British Citizens, why are we paying them a pension' so....

Yes, I heard him say that and wasn't impressed. If you've paid, you get something in return just like everyone else.

For the time being, Farage may have turned fair-minded citizens away from his fold.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Yes, I heard him say that and wasn't impressed. If you've paid, you get something in return just like everyone else.

For the time being, Farage may have turned fair-minded citizens away from his fold.

I wonder if the penny is now dropping for others apart from you? I think a lot of fair-minded citizens now see Reform as the party of envy.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I wonder if the penny is now dropping for others apart from you? I think a lot of fair-minded citizens now see Reform as the party of envy.

It's prolly why I'm still a Conservative member. Farage could well be turning fair-minded citizens away.

A pity, because he's right on most of his economy thoughts. But then the Tories say much the same on the economy and need to convince said fair-minded citizens that they can execute.

[1andrew1]

Any fair-minded citizens will doubtless be concerned over this:

Nigel Farage declines to rule out link between autism and paracetamol use

Reform UK leader’s comments come after Trump warns women to avoid painkiller during pregnancy

Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has refused to distance himself from comments made by US President Donald Trump linking the use of paracetamol by pregnant women to autism in children.

“We were told thalidomide was a safe drug and it wasn’t. Who knows?” Farage told LBC on Wednesday, referring to the sedative that caused birth defects in more than 10,000 people around the world after it was widely prescribed to pregnant women for morning sickness.

Farage, whose party is leading national opinion polls, said he had “no idea” whether paracetamol was linked to autism, adding: “When it comes to science I wouldn’t side with anybody.”

Farage’s refusal to take a clear stance on the contentious — and widely criticised — remarks made by Trump underscore his efforts not to upset his powerful ally in the White House.

Many Reform supporters are also sceptical of pharmaceutical companies, and in particular vaccines. A number of significant party figures cite Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic as the moment they lost faith in the then ruling Conservative party.

Dr Aseem Malhotra, an adviser to US health secretary Robert F Kennedy, suggested at Reform’s party conference this month that Covid jabs were a “significant factor” in the cancer diagnoses of members of the UK royal family.

https://www.ft.com/content/429193b3-...2-9b0a6a6e9ab5

“We were told thalidomide was a safe drug and it wasn’t. Who knows?” Farage told LBC on Wednesday

This alone tells me what a completley uninformed idiot Farage is.
I work in the medical studies sector, I'm well aware of how vastly different it is now compared to the early 1960's.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Reform have made a mistake with their immigration policy. They may have thought it all through, but their public announcements have fallen short of explaining the exceptions that would be allowed. For example, someone who has had ILR for 20 years and has paid their way during that time: will they have to reapply and what would the criteria be?

A major policy announcement of this type should be fully clarified at the time of broadcast - at least in a publication that indicates the law changes that will enable all this, including the deportation or resettlement of ineligible asylum seekers of military ag.

I don't think so, Seph. The final details will be revealed closer to the election. We don't know the details of any policies to be introduced by the other parties yet, so we'll have to be patient. A lot can happen in four years.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I wonder if the penny is now dropping for others apart from you? I think a lot of fair-minded citizens now see Reform as the party of envy.

Envy over what? Incidentally, I think Farage was talking about not allowing immigrants to draw pensions unless they'd been paying into the scheme. But the devil will be in the detail.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Any fair-minded citizens will doubtless be concerned over this:

https://www.ft.com/content/429193b3-...2-9b0a6a6e9ab5

Why? He's saying he doesn't know. He's not a scientist, and as far as I know, nor are you.

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Originally Posted by Paul

This alone tells me what a completley uninformed idiot Farage is.
I work in the medical studies sector, I'm well aware of how vastly different it is now compared to the early 1960's.

Actually, while studies don't show a causal link, they have not been conclusive, and I think that's what Trump is alluding to, but he's jumping the gun, I think. He should wait for better evidence before he trots out something like this.

Farage is just saying he doesn't know. That's honest. He's not jumping on any bandwagon and just parroting what he's told to say, which is what we normally expect from leading politicians..

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c930xypxpqpo



This is more extreme than Trump; in the US, Green Card holders are still protected for the most part.

This isn't new migrants either, it's everyone. Anyone who's not a British citizen but is living here risks being kicked out if they're unsuccessful for a much stricter Visa. This can be former EU citizens who've been here for decades, paid taxes, had families, but just never applied for a passport (£1,700 btw) because why did they never need to do so?

I know someone from Europe who's lived here for 45 years, now retired, married to an English partner and is now receiving a pension after working the vast majority of their adult life here, paying taxes. They will be removed under this policy because they're no longer a skilled worker and they'll certainly get their pension taken away.

How is that fair? How is that what we want this country to be?

No one, wants to see foreign nationals that are working, paying taxes and contributing being deported.

But anyone that’s come here, never worked and received benefits all that time, needs looking at.

And anyone, that enters illegally should be immediately deported.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Farage was asked and said 'If they're not British Citizens, why are we paying them a pension' so....

If they haven’t paid into the system, he has a point.

If they have, substantially enough to qualify for a pension, then they should receive it.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Any fair-minded citizens will doubtless be concerned over this:

https://www.ft.com/content/429193b3-...2-9b0a6a6e9ab5

Why would he “rule it out” if he doesn’t know.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No one, wants to see foreign nationals that are working, paying taxes and contributing being deported.

But anyone that’s come here, never worked and received benefits all that time, needs looking at.

And anyone, that enters illegally should be immediately deported.

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If they haven’t paid into the system, he has a point.

If they have, substantially enough to qualify for a pension, then they should receive it.

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Why would he “rule it out” if he doesn’t know.

Correct on all three counts!

Originally Posted by Pierre

No one, wants to see foreign nationals that are working, paying taxes and contributing being deported.

But anyone that’s come here, never worked and received benefits all that time, needs looking at.

And anyone, that enters illegally should be immediately deported.

This is not the policy, though. He is clear about that. Everyone who has ILR will have that revoked; only those who are deemed to qualify for a skilled visa will be allowed to stay.

So that includes people who've been here most of their lives and either don't have a skilled enough job or are retired. If someone comes here in their 20s from Australia, settled, applies legally to stay here and then just gets on with life, then they are a target for deportation.

If they haven’t paid into the system, he has a point.

If they have, substantially enough to qualify for a pension, then they should receive it.

Again, that's not the policy. If they've paid into the system, it still won't matter. Not only is their pension gone but they'll have their right to stay here taken away and won't be able to apply for a skilled visa.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is not the policy, though. He is clear about that. Everyone who has ILR will have that revoked; only those who are deemed to qualify for a skilled visa will be allowed to stay.

So that includes people who've been here most of their lives and either don't have a skilled enough job or are retired. If someone comes here in their 20s from Australia, settled, applies legally to stay here and then just gets on with life, then they are a target for deportation.



Again, that's not the policy. If they've paid into the system, it still won't matter. Not only is their pension gone but they'll have their right to stay here taken away and won't be able to apply for a skilled visa.

Well that wrong then.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well that wrong then.

A Pierre comment I can heartily agree with!

[Jaymoss]

Farage must be loving the Digital ID proposition . Bye bye Labour next election