Coronavirus - Page 554

nffc · 21-11-2021, 15:46

People who are concerned about the safety etc aren't the issue, these concerns need to be addressed by the people who know the vaccines and the process they have gone through properly, they are genuine concerns and actually may well turn out to be correct - remember Thalidomide for example, no-one thought that would cause birth defects (but that was ultimately a production issue not removing the isomer) until we had a whole load of babies being born missing arms etc etc.

It's the people who are going around saying it's 5G or that the government are going to secretly vaccinate protesters through manhole covers, things which are basically not going to be true.

Taf · 25-11-2021, 15:37

At 14:02 today, the phone rang, and the caller said I had missed my booster appointment yesterday (24th).

I told her that on the 17th I did an online request for a reschedule for the missus and I, to be together. She said that all the online stuff takes over a week to process.

I explained the missus' mobility problems, that we could only get to the Tesco across the road, and would take any cancellation at any time of day.

She tried to give just me a slot on December 1st, as she had a single cancellation then, and another today, but there was no way one of us could make it, as it was for 14:20 in 15 minutes. I just told her to book the missus' jab for 1st December and I would get the one today.

I got to the Tesco centre at 14:22, and their computer system updated in front of us, to book me in.

The mandatory 15-minute wait after the Pfizer jab was annoying....

Jaymoss · 25-11-2021, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Taf

The mandatory 15-minute wait after the Pfizer jab was annoying....

Yeah I asked how many had had an allergic reaction on just the 3rd jab after not on the other 2 hahaha no answer given

**Paul** · 25-11-2021, 16:24

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Originally Posted by Taf

The mandatory 15-minute wait after the Pfizer jab was annoying....

I can understand it for those who didnt have Pfizer previously, but Ive had it for all three, so just ridiculous. I left after a few minutes.

Sephiroth · 25-11-2021, 16:26

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I can understand it for those who didnt have Pfizer previously, but Ive had it for all three, so just ridiculous. I left after a few minutes.

I had 2 x AZ and 1 x Pfizer. I also left after a couple of minutes. If anything was going to happen, I'd rather it was at home.

nffc · 25-11-2021, 16:30

I suppose you could react to the 2nd but not the 1st, as your immune system has seen it before, and hadn't first off (and perhaps the same in reverse).

But if you've already had it twice and didn't react, there's a pretty decent chance the 3rd will be the same. I suppose they just don't want people getting in the car, driving home and fainting or going into shock or something when they're on the road where it's easier for a nurse to do something at a vax centre.

The most annoying thing for me with the 15 min wait is that as it's a healthcare setting you still have to wear a face covering even when the mask mandate has been lifted pretty much anywhere else. When I went for my 2nd which was just after freedom day they were giving out water so I just sat sipping that instead...

**Paul** · 25-11-2021, 16:33

Personally I'd rather be surrounded by medical staff if something actually happened (and 100 yards from the ambulance station), but expecting a third dose of the same vaccine to suddenly behave differently is a bit far fetched. I felt a slight twinge when first lying on it in bed, but it soon passed, and off to sleep I went.

Sephiroth · 25-11-2021, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Paul

Personally I'd rather be surrounded by medical staff if something actually happened (and 100 yards from the ambulance station), but expecting a third dose of the same vaccine to suddenly behave differently is a bit far fetched. I felt a slight twinge when first lying on it in bed, but it soon passed, and off to sleep I went.

Thing is that if you take a funny turn at the pharmacy then the
disturbance that will cause to those waiting their turn would make things awkward for others. In other settings, that might not matter as much.

OLD BOY · 25-11-2021, 17:45

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New restrictions (in Europe) dont seem to be going down as well this time around.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59363256

Opened fire ? Seriously ?

Peoples patience with restrictions and lockdowns seems to have worn away.

This is what I warned would have happened here too if we went gung-ho with lockdowns. There’s only so much people will take.

ianch99 · 25-11-2021, 20:48

Worrying report. Fingers crossed this variant is less transmissible:

COVID-19: New B.1.1.529 variant 'worst one we've seen so far', say UK experts

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The UKHSA says B.1.1.529 has a spike protein which is "dramatically" different to the original COVID strain, and it has double the amount of mutations than the Delta variant.

These mutations are likely to evade the immune response generated by prior infection and vaccination, they say.

Tom Peacock, a virologist at Imperial College London, branded the mutations "really awful" but said cases were currently "super low".

Spike proteins are what viruses use to get into human cells, and some of the vaccines work by training the body to recognise the spikes and neutralise them.

Mutations on the spike could therefore potentially prove problematic for the current crop of vaccines.

Sephiroth · 25-11-2021, 20:54

An immediate red-listing of South Africa and Botswana is called for, imo.

ianch99 · 25-11-2021, 20:59

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An immediate red-listing of South Africa and Botswana is called for, imo.

I would agree but can this include transit passengers flying via a third country "hub"?

Carth · 25-11-2021, 20:59

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

An immediate red-listing of South Africa and Botswana is called for, imo.

Won't work, people will just take a circuitous route and fly in from somewhere else . . . . . . or get a dinghy in France

Pierre · 25-11-2021, 21:52

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Worrying report. Fingers crossed this variant is less transmissible:

COVID-19: New B.1.1.529 variant 'worst one we've seen so far', say UK experts

Well, we can’t be thinking it’s over now can we? We need a new variant to ensure previously democratic Western governments can continue to act as tinpot dictatorships and totalitarian states.

Also helps to keep the population scared and compliant. Best course of action is to mandate vaccines that don’t prevent infection or transmission thereby keeping the population on a convenient short leash by keeping them scared.

Take the vaccine! Will it stop me from getting catching it? No! Will it stop me from passing it on? No! So you must still wear masks or you’re a bad person. Will it stop me from getting ill? Yes, but that’s only your personal health, if you care about the wider population you should still support lockdowns. But surely those at risk will have been vaccinated so even if I’m not vaccinated I’m no risk to others? Shut up, we’re keeping this going for as long as possible.

papa smurf · 25-11-2021, 21:58

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Well, we can’t be thinking it’s over now can we? We need a new variant to ensure previously democratic Western governments can continue to act as tinpot dictatorships and totalitarian states.

Also helps to keep the population scared and compliant. Best course of action is to mandate vaccines that don’t prevent infection or transmission thereby keeping the population on a convenient short leash by keeping them scared.

Take the vaccine! Will it stop me from getting catching it? No! Will it stop me from passing it on? No! So you must still wear masks or you’re a bad person. Will it stop me from getting ill? Yes, but that’s only your personal health, if you care about the wider population you should still support lockdowns. But surely those at risk will have been vaccinated so even if I’m not vaccinated I’m no risk to others? Shut up, we’re keeping this going for as long as possible.

There's a fortune still to be made out of this, it'll get milked for some time yet
get your 12th jab booked.