Brexit (Old)

[ianch99]

They are losing the plot now:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ock-complaints

In what appeared to be a curve ball, Cox told the EU that Northern Irish citizens would be unrepresented in the EU’s decision-making institutions, including the European parliament, thereby diminishing their rights.

“The attorney general said there was a risk of violating the ECHR,” a senior EU source said. “He said a lot of surprising things this week.”

It is understood Cox argued the risk of breaching the ECHR put an onus on both sides to show the backstop was temporary, and should be pared back in scope as alternatives to its terms emerged.

Diplomats told of their astonishment at Cox’s claim, pointing out the UK had negotiated and agreed to the Irish backstop. “What is it they are trying to achieve with this?” one said. “They agreed on this arrangement in November and now it is a human rights risk?”

Looking like Parliament is going to take control next week ..

[nomadking]

Does that mean that the fact that us English don't get a say on English-only matters is against the ECHR. Doesn't that also apply to any Customs Union of whatever sort? The fact that any EU legislation can only be overturned by leaving the EU completely, also against the ECHR?

Originally Posted by nomadking

Does that mean that the fact that us English don't get a say on English-only matters is against the ECHR. Doesn't that also apply to any Customs Union of whatever sort? The fact that any EU legislation can only be overturned by leaving the EU completely, also against the ECHR?

What English-only matters?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

What English-only matters?

Health, Education. Potentially run by a non-English Labour/SNP government.


An English Parliament, with at least the same powers as Scotland, would be able to decide differently on matters.

The sound of moving goalposts...

There is an NI Assembly, there already exists both a Scottish Parliament and a Welsh Assembly - there does not exist an English Parliament, and raising the point is just trying to introduce irrelevancies to the thread...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Looking like Parliament is going to take control next week ..

Agreed. Parliament is agreed on the need to avoid a costly no-deal but little else, however.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. Parliament is agreed on the need to avoid a costly no-deal but little else, however.

The routes are pretty obvious now.

a) If they can come back with something that the attorney general can change his legal advice on then the vote will pass BUT currently the EU are saying there's no progress despite the Attorney Generals codpiece wittering yesterday

b) enough MP's are in fear of No Deal so much that they back May's deal unsure of stopping no deal.

c) Mays deal fails, no deal blocked. Article 50 extended. May replaced, cycle repeats.


In order of chances occurring C,A,B would be my guess.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

a) If they can come back with something that the attorney general can change his legal advice on then the vote will pass BUT currently the EU are saying there's no progress despite the Attorney Generals codpiece wittering yesterday

This is the only viable option

b) enough MP's are in fear of No Deal so much that they back May's deal unsure of stopping no deal.

Not sure how this differs from a) but it's May's deal or no deal at this stage

c) Mays deal fails, no deal blocked. Article 50 extended. May replaced, cycle repeats.

This achieves nothing. If extended A50 will not be extended beyond the European Elections so there is a hard stop there. We get maximum a couple of months. The EU keep stating that they will not change the deal so what is expected to happen?

Only thing that would happen would be more capitulation by the weak UK.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Pierre

This is the only viable option



Not sure how this differs from a) but it's May's deal or no deal at this stage

This achieves nothing. If extended A50 will not be extended beyond the European Elections so there is a hard stop there. We get maximum a couple of months. The EU keep stating that they will not change the deal so what is expected to happen?

Only thing that would happen would be more capitulation by the weak UK.

no deal be ruled out next Wednesday when parliament vote it out

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

This is the only viable option



Not sure how this differs from a) but it's May's deal or no deal at this stage

This achieves nothing. If extended A50 will not be extended beyond the European Elections so there is a hard stop there. We get maximum a couple of months. The EU keep stating that they will not change the deal so what is expected to happen?

Only thing that would happen would be more capitulation by the weak UK.

Sorry, should have clarified further opt b) is may's deal without any further adjustments


Interesting on the R4's today program yesterday, they were talking to a group of MP's and at least a couple mentioned that they would vote for what they believed was the nations best interest

I think we'll have to politely disagree, a) wont happen b) wont happen

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Sorry, should have clarified further opt b) is may's deal without any further adjustments


Interesting on the R4's today program yesterday, they were talking to a group of MP's and at least a couple mentioned that they would vote for what they believed was the nations best interest

I think we'll have to politely disagree, a) wont happen b) wont happen

What would C achieve?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

What would C achieve?

Who knows but if the others are ruled out by Parliament then that's all that's left by the process of elimination. Maybe a) or b) will win when the extension is up?
Maybe it's what it doesn't achieve that is more important.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Mentioned earlier in this thread, but reminder for anyone who has less than six months to expiry on their current passport, or carried over some months from their previous passport (in my case, I renewed my passport in May 2009*, but the expiry date was September 2019 because of the previous passport's expiry date of September 2009); the expiry date on your current passport will be 10 years after the issue date.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-mi...snt-sf-twitter

*I needed to have more than six months left on my passport to travel to India in 2009

Portugal have the right idea. They have said that, if it does go ahead in three weeks time, they realise that Brexit is tricky, so will create a special queue for British people and process them ASAP. They will also continue to offer us free healthcare.

[papa smurf]

Looks like these shoppers know whats coming.

“People are realising they might not be able to come to Calais and bring back the same amount of wine if we get a hard Brexit. They are stockpiling.”



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...it-stockpiling

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Looks like these shoppers know whats coming.

“People are realising they might not be able to come to Calais and bring back the same amount of wine if we get a hard Brexit. They are stockpiling.”



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...it-stockpiling

They're not stockpiling, they just like drinking, just another weekend. It's much the same in Sainsbury's when they have 25% off wine...
(And what are you doing reading that lefty rag ! )