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1andrew1 · 03-03-2019, 08:10

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Originally Posted by Carth

"Theresa May will have to delay Brexit even if she gets her exit plan through parliament this month, Michel Barnier has said."

No she doesn't, all she has to do is say "ok I've had enough of the crap you're throwing around, it's no deal, end of"

. . but she won't because she's a remainer

She's a born-again Brexiter whose red lines were devised by the unelected Nick Timothy. We're insufficiently prepared for no deal so that's not an option we can use.

Sephiroth · 03-03-2019, 09:26

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

She's a born-again Brexiter whose red lines were devised by the unelected Nick Timothy. We're insufficiently prepared for no deal so that's not an option we can use.

Not disagreeing, but point out the irony of the unelected Juncker/Barnier etc calling the EU negotiating shots and demanding full European integration.

1andrew1 · 03-03-2019, 10:33

Sometimes you can only view what's really going on by being removed from it.

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The country's National Health Service, once a source of national pride, is in permanent crisis mode, with tens of thousands of positions unfilled. And even if the official number of unemployed people is sinking, the number of "working poor" is constantly growing.
By contrast, there seem to be unlimited resources for Brexit. Hundreds of millions of pounds have been spent on the project. Hundreds of millions more are in the pipeline. Britain's departure from the EU has paralyzed almost the entire government apparatus. Just two weeks ago, a call went out to about 4,000 government workers to abandon their daily responsibilities in order to concentrate on the preparations for Brexit. Five ministries were left searching for additional workers -- including the ministries responsible for social care and labor. It's a paradox: While the country walks in place on Brexit, the very same problems that were responsible for Brexit in the first place are worsening by the day.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1249990.html

jfman · 03-03-2019, 10:36

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sometimes you can only view what's really going on by being removed from it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1249990.html

But we aren’t out yet! Once we are it’ll be money and unicorns for everyone. £39bn to share out to the top 1% and trickle down economics does the rest.

1andrew1 · 03-03-2019, 10:45

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Originally Posted by jfman

But we aren’t out yet! Once we are it’ll be money and unicorns for everyone. £39bn to share out to the top 1% and trickle down economics does the rest.

The government's looking at this to get the bill over the line:

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May pledges funds for Labour towns to win Brexit support
Theresa May will this week set out details of a fund worth hundreds of millions of pounds for Britain’s “left behind” towns as the prime minister tries to win Labour support for her Brexit deal.
Details of the fund, expected to be worth some £1.6bn, are part of a government push to win support for Mrs May’s revised Brexit deal, to be put to MPs for “a meaningful vote” before March 12.

https://www.ft.com/content/7370e794-...f-30761f19a974

Carth · 03-03-2019, 10:49

Promises Promises Promises . . . all Government promises have been kept over the past 100 years (or more) . . honestly, trust me, you know I'm good for it

denphone · 03-03-2019, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Carth

Promises Promises Promises . . . all Government promises have been kept over the past 100 years (or more) . . honestly, trust me, you know I'm good for it

Most promises are not worth the paper they are written on end of...

1andrew1 · 03-03-2019, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Carth

Promises Promises Promises . . . all Government promises have been kept over the past 100 years (or more) . . honestly, trust me, you know I'm good for it

Theresa May needs to convince enough Labour MPs to vote for her deal and the job's done. This promise is not aimed at you, your vote has been won, it's aimed at some Labour MPs.

Carth · 03-03-2019, 11:03

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Theresa May needs to convince enough Labour MPs to vote for her deal and the job's done. This promise is not aimed at you, your vote has been won, it's aimed at some Labour MPs.

I know it's not aimed at me, it's aimed at a bunch of MP's . . . who will probably jump for joy at the promise of a free ice cream if they roll over and wag their tails

**Hugh** · 03-03-2019, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not disagreeing, but point out the irony of the unelected Juncker/Barnier etc calling the EU negotiating shots and demanding full European integration.

They are the front people for the negotiations - all they negotiate still has to be agreed by the governments of the 27 countries.

Sounds fairly democratic to me...

heero_yuy · 03-03-2019, 11:32

It would be ironic if the EU deliver a no deal Brexit in spite of the Westminster elite. All the shenanigans and wasted years.

papa smurf · 03-03-2019, 11:35

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Originally Posted by Hugh

They are the front people for the negotiations - all they negotiate still has to be agreed by the governments of the 27 countries.

Sounds fairly democratic to me...

Sounds like you both have different standards

**Maggy** · 03-03-2019, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Hugh

They are the front people for the negotiations - all they negotiate still has to be agreed by the governments of the 27 countries.

Sounds fairly democratic to me...

1andrew1 · 03-03-2019, 12:31

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Sounds like you both have different standards

Hugh has high standards.

I also think we've seen what happens when elected representatives negotiate things.

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Chris Grayling 'must be sacked by Monday' over £33m Brexit no-deal contract row payout

https://news.sky.com/story/chris-gra...ayout-11652180

denphone · 03-03-2019, 13:11

Chris Grayling takes the biscuit for sheer incompetence when it comes to gaffes by a cabinet minister.