General Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2015) - Page 53

1andrew1 · 17-02-2015, 18:56

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Originally Posted by DaMac

How hard can the negotiations get, it is a matter of hosting an app which people will have to pay to use, my samsung TV has Amazon prime in its app screen and its 4k compatible as well.

Hopefully you can now appreciate all is not as easy as it might at first look. For example:

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

If this is a problem, I would presume that VM could arrange with Amazon to have a watered down version of the service. For example, all PPV films could be excluded.

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Originally Posted by passingbat

There is no way Amazon would go for a half baked service IMHO.

Derekb108 · 18-02-2015, 11:47

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Its already happening the WWE network exists in the UK whilst Sky has the linear TV rights.

Can't be an exclusive to sky because there's a WWE network app on the ps3.

muppetman11 · 18-02-2015, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Derekb108

Can't be an exclusive to sky because there's a WWE network app on the ps3.

I haven't said it is , or am I missing something ?

1andrew1 · 18-02-2015, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Derekb108

Can't be an exclusive to sky because there's a WWE network app on the ps3.

He's not said it's exclusive but probably the simplest way of describing Sky's rights would be as PPV rights.

OLD BOY · 18-02-2015, 12:12

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Originally Posted by passingbat

There is no way Amazon would go for a half baked service IMHO.

But if by some weird chance that they did, there would be no reason to exclude TV shows as there is currently no service on VM offering TV shows as PPV or digital purchase AFAIK.

I see no reason why Amazon would not agree to a subscription service similar to that of Netflix.

However, if they insisted on including the PPV as well, I don't see this as a deal breaker, given that Netflix films already duplicate to an extent what is available on Virgin Movies.

1andrew1 · 18-02-2015, 12:26

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I see no reason why Amazon would not agree to a subscription service similar to that of Netflix.

However, if they insisted on including the PPV as well, I don't see this as a deal breaker, given that Netflix films already duplicate to an extent what is available on Virgin Movies.

FilmFlex who operate Virgin Movies may have an exclusitvity clause or may require an increase in fees if another PPV provider comes onto VM's platforms, so VM may be wanting compensation from Amazon for this. And Amazon may have an-all-or-nothing policy regarding its services.

muppetman11 · 18-02-2015, 12:35

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I see no reason why Amazon would not agree to a subscription service similar to that of Netflix.

However, if they insisted on including the PPV as well, I don't see this as a deal breaker, given that Netflix films already duplicate to an extent what is available on Virgin Movies.

What's in it for Amazon ?

The video side was integrated into its Amazon Prime offering to help sell its own hardware and keep people using the Amazon ecosystem such as Kindle , Amazon Fire etc.

An app may launch but it will be like Netflix now at an additional cost in my opinion.

OLD BOY · 18-02-2015, 12:37

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

FilmFlex who operate Virgin Movies may have an exclusitvity clause or may require an increase in fees if another PPV provider comes onto VM's platforms, so VM may be wanting compensation from Amazon for this. And Amazon may have an-all-or-nothing policy regarding its services.

Given that Netflix is showing films for free that are PPV on Virgin Movies, I don't see this as the problem, personally.

Sure, clauses will have to be agreed, but don't they always with deals like this? Nothing's easy these days, in fact sometimes it's a wonder that anything happens at all!

passingbat · 18-02-2015, 13:02

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

What's in it for Amazon ?

The video side was integrated into its Amazon Prime offering to help sell its own hardware and keep people using the Amazon ecosystem such as Kindle , Amazon Fire etc.

An app may launch but it will be like Netflix now at an additional cost in my opinion.

To be fair, I don't think anyone is expecting it to launch on Tivo without them having to pay a standard Amazon Prime or instant video subscription to Amazon to use it.

I wish Amazon would get their finger out and release the Fire TV Stick in the UK, and, at the same introductory price as the US of $19. I suspect there's fat chance of the $19 though!

OLD BOY · 18-02-2015, 13:05

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

What's in it for Amazon ?

The video side was integrated into its Amazon Prime offering to help sell its own hardware and keep people using the Amazon ecosystem such as Kindle , Amazon Fire etc.

An app may launch but it will be like Netflix now at an additional cost in my opinion.

The additional subscription take, presumably, Muppetman. it works for Netflix, why not for Amazon?

Ultimate.Conj · 19-02-2015, 09:51

In the US, their TiVo Roamio Pro and Plus both have 6 tuners with the Pro having a 3TB HDD. I would certainly be impressed if VM managed to secure a UK version of these products. The TiVo we have at the moment is good, but could do with a few tweaks of improvement. I'm guessing there would be a hefty monthly fee if these were to become available :-(

spiderplant · 19-02-2015, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj

In the US, their TiVo Roamio Pro and Plus both have 6 tuners with the Pro having a 3TB HDD. I would certainly be impressed if VM managed to secure a UK version of these products.

It doesn't work like that. VM boxes are made to VM specifications by manufacturers chosen by VM. The US has never had a 3 tuner box.

Ultimate.Conj · 19-02-2015, 11:38

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Originally Posted by spiderplant

It doesn't work like that. VM boxes are made to VM specifications by manufacturers chosen by VM. The US has never had a 3 tuner box.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make with your comment.

You knew I meant - It would be good to have a different UK/VM (specific) version of a 6 Tuner box with a big hard-drive.

1andrew1 · 19-02-2015, 11:47

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The additional subscription take, presumably, Muppetman. it works for Netflix, why not for Amazon?

I guess because Amazon, launched back in 1998 already has a significant contact with its customers as most people with we access will have used Amazon.co.uk at some stage. And if they did not, it also had the substantial LoveFiLM customer base too.
Netflix, which only launched in 2012, did not enjoy these advantages so would potentially be happier to pay to acquire customers via an app on Tivo.
In addition, Amazon has continued its platform strategy launching a highly popular range of streaming and reading devices. Netflix has adopted a platform neutral approach.

Horizon · 19-02-2015, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj

I don't understand the point you are trying to make with your comment.

You knew I meant - It would be good to have a different UK/VM (specific) version of a 6 Tuner box with a big hard-drive.

The situation is different with the US tivo and I assume he is saying you can't compare the US boxes with ours.

In the US, tivo make the boxes which consumers then buy and then connect them up to their cable connection and get whatever services are available from their cableco. Here, VM license the tivo software/brand/technology, get someone to make the box for VM, then put the tivo software onto it.

So, he's saying you can't just have a VM version of a US tivo, because it's a totally different setup. VM could ask someone to make a six tuner box, then get the tivo software put onto it, but I doubt that will happen at least with tivo software that is...

In any case, tivo are stuggling in the US as cablecos over there now have their own advanced boxes with their own software running on them. Check out Comcast's offering, as an example:

http://www.comcast.com/x1