[Merged] Manchester Proxies. - Page 5

mr-b · 09-03-2004, 18:08

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Originally Posted by BBKing

No you aren't, as explained earlier. The sooner people grasp that they aren't 'on' a particular proxy the better. You're on Hersham proxies. Thanks for the report though.

Yes it's the port 80 traffic redirectors (e.g. Cisco WCCP routers or Layer 4 switches) which dynamically assign which cache that you're going through for any particular request.
They can redirect the request based on various things such as cache load, requested URL or source ip. The requested URL is a useful consideration so that content doesn't get duplicated across caches.
So that's why if you are having problems then ntl will prolly require at least your ip and destination URL (and region) if they are to know which cache you are likely to be going through.
Of course if you manually specify a proxy then it is fixed and you bypass all that mechanism.

Chrysalis · 09-03-2004, 18:50

well its not fixed because you still using a proxy, I want to make one thing clear here I do NOT want to be using a proxy to access web pages, it was working fine for months so I can see no good reason why ntl need me to be using proxies now.

th'engineer · 09-03-2004, 19:23

BTW are they working tonight or should i stay on the winnerish proxy

iadom · 09-03-2004, 19:30

Seems OK here ATM., Th'eng

th'engineer · 09-03-2004, 19:37

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Originally Posted by iadom

Seems OK here ATM., Th'eng

Still think we have more users up here they switch em on they fall over in the first few days .
Wheres justanothernoob to explain why, he ranted about how good they are.

[Admin Edit(Mick):- Personal comments removed-Please lets not inflame the situation.]

BBKing · 09-03-2004, 19:39

I wondered why n00b had stopped talking to you, eng. Useful chap to annoy into silence, wasn't he?

As I've said before, Manchester's been split in two since the last proxy f-up, and there are six more caches in your half than there were in the whole area the last time. Are the problems as bad as they were then (when I fully accept they were chronic).

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im on cache 10 in Lovely Bolton

AAArrgh. Stop it.

09-03-2004, 19:51

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Originally Posted by th'engineer

Still think we have more users up here they switch em on they fall over in the first few days .
Wheres justanothernoob to explain why, he ranted about how good they are.

[Admin Edit(Mick):- Personal comments removed-Please lets not inflame the situation.]

Then if you think we all come out with BS then dont bother phoning me when you have a problem again phone 151 like everyone else. i dont want you to come on here and say i or any other ntl person gave you a load of bull****. And yes i did take offence to that comment that ntl is BS.

If this is the way this site is going allowing members who want to help be called BS'S then please remove my member ship forwith i dont want to be involved with it.

**Mick** · 09-03-2004, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Bill C

Then if you think we all come out with BS then dont bother phoning me when you have a problem again phone 151 like everyone else. i dont want you to come on here and say i or any other ntl person gave you a load of bull****. And yes i did take offence to that comment that ntl is BS.

If this is the way this site is going allowing members who want to help be called BS'S then please remove my member ship forwith i dont want to be involved with it.

Where did he say your name? I would assume he meant ntl, the company BS, not individual ntl employees.

09-03-2004, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Mick

Where did he say your name? I would assume he meant ntl, the company BS, not individual ntl employees.

Look he may not have given my name but its the way it is said that he cannot take the word of another engineer so thats it for me please remove my login and all details i will not be logging in here again.

**Mick** · 09-03-2004, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Bill C

Look he may not have given my name but its the way it is said that he cannot take the word of another engineer so thats it for me please remove my login and all details i will not be logging in here again.

So one person does not agree with everything an engineer says and you take the hump? You can just choose to ignore him and carry on and do what you do best and help people that do appreciate it. Reconsider?

**Paul** · 09-03-2004, 20:21

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Originally Posted by th'engineer

Still think we have more users up here they switch em on they fall over in the first few days .
Wheres justanothernoob to explain why, he ranted about how good they are.

(must remember take everything he says and NTL BS)

With comments like this it's no wonder he and all the other NTL people have left here, or are leaving fast. I hope you are proud of the fact that you manage to drive such helpful people away from the site - I'm sure all the other users with Network/UBR/etc problems that are no longer looked into are really grateful.

Stuartbe · 09-03-2004, 20:32

I think its sad that NTL people leave and Pem does have a point.......

NTL bods.... I can see why you get fed up with the moaning... You have to remember that the people who come to site usualy have a problem and have been p$ssed of by NTL. I am sure that the moaning is not aimed at you personaly...

Cant we all be freinds ? Life is to short to scrap like schoolboys IMO......

Bill C..... I can asure you that 99% of the memberts here are truly greatfull for your help and asistance.

Justanothernoob.... Come back m8

Orangebird... Thanks for all the help you have given..

To the other NTL bods.... Thankyou from me at least - I hope you decide to stay !

For gods sake - why cant we all help each other ?????????????????

Stop the NTL staff bashing NOW !!!!!..... Yes NTL are naff.. I know I have experienced it first hand but the customer service culture is the management's fault not the staff !!!!

Lets stop this NOW before we loose all the helpfull NTL guys and girls !!!

P L E A S E ! ! ! !

mr-b · 09-03-2004, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

well its not fixed because you still using a proxy, I want to make one thing clear here I do NOT want to be using a proxy to access web pages, it was working fine for months so I can see no good reason why ntl need me to be using proxies now.

The "fixed" to which I was referring was the fact that you would be using one cache exclusively if you define it manually. That means that your traffic isn't load-balanced optimally (for either you or ntl) across the cache farm or protected against a cache being unavailable.
Of course that's of little interest to you if you are having problems

. All I can suggest is that you continue to log any issues with ntl with as much detail as possible.

I'm guessing that is basis of your objection to using proxies - the flipside of course being that they usually allow ISPs to scale internet services whilst minimising costs.

BBKing · 09-03-2004, 22:02

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To the other NTL bods.... Thankyou from me at least - I hope you decide to stay !

I'm thicker skinned than most, besides I enjoy more than just the ntl based forums. So I'll be staying.

Bill C is often rung up by th'eng and has bent over backwards to help (he's a *very* conscientious chap) even when there turns out not to have been a serious problem. Thus you can see why he would see eng's comments as being a slap in the face, and I can understand his attitude.

However, I think th'eng actually had one of his grammar free moments and it's difficult to be certain what he was saying (that n00b was BSing, that ntl always BS you, that ntl posters on nthw BS you? I'm not certain I can be sure *what* he meant, to be honest).

Incidentally, I've met (not in person) both Bill and n00b through this forum and its predecessor. I met Peter M in person after getting to know him online too, IIRC.

Stuartbe · 09-03-2004, 22:16

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Originally Posted by BBKing

I'm thicker skinned than most, besides I enjoy more than just the ntl based forums. So I'll be staying.

Bill C is often rung up by th'eng and has bent over backwards to help (he's a *very* conscientious chap) even when there turns out not to have been a serious problem. Thus you can see why he would see eng's comments as being a slap in the face, and I can understand his attitude.

However, I think th'eng actually had one of his grammar free moments and it's difficult to be certain what he was saying (that n00b was BSing, that ntl always BS you, that ntl posters on nthw BS you? I'm not certain I can be sure *what* he meant, to be honest).

Incidentally, I've met (not in person) both Bill and n00b through this forum and its predecessor. I met Peter M in person after getting to know him online too, IIRC.

I can understand your point m8....

I am glad you are going to stay... You are most welcome.... I will have to msn justanothernoob and ask him of he will come back... Its a sad loss.

This site needs you guys !!!

Forum members - dont forget that these guys are risking getting in trouble with there managers - I am sure mr (I dont give a t0ss about my customers) husian would not like them being here...

Lets support them.. thats what I say... And I am no NTL lover I can tell you !!!!