Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ? - Page 5

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I second that

I was never punished physically by my parent's, yet I have as much love and respect for them as anyone could have for their parents, I have a good job, a great house, a wunnerful g/f, no criminal record, I don't take drugs, I rarely drink to excess and I'm not in debt.

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:29

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Hmmmmm....I wonder if thats because they used to get kicks and punches from their parents so a cane wasn't really a deterrent?

Perhaps, or perhaps their parent's caned them at home ... there's nothing like accidently arguing for the opposition eh?

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

My conjecture as an expert on spinal matters...it is my job.

And obviously you treated the cases mentioned to prove differently ....

Stuartbe · 21-02-2004, 18:31

Bifta....

What would you do if you had a child that kept stealing things ? Lets say that you had tried all the punishments that you could - groundin ect... But nothing at all worked...

What would you do then ?

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:32

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

Trouble is that it can cause more trouble.

I know this for a fact. It was me asking one of the bullies for a fight and beating him that led to both my legs being broken (getting thrown down a set of stairs by 20+ lads tends to do this)

"can" cause more trouble, I agree with that at least, but thread isn't about bullying, you should probably start another one detailing the best way's people find of dealing with them from their own personal experience.

Ramrod · 21-02-2004, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Bifta

I was never punished physically by my parent's, yet I have as much love and respect for them as anyone could have for their parents, I have a good job, a great house, a wunnerful g/f, no criminal record, I don't take drugs, I rarely drink to excess and I'm not in debt.

Woah there....I didn't say that you aren't a fine upstanding member of your community and a wonderful human being

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:33

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

Bifta....

What would you do if you had a child that kept stealing things ? Lets say that you had tried all the punishments that you could - groundin ect... But nothing at all worked...

What would you do then ?

Stealing as in shoplifting? Presumably they're caught then (and on a regular basis) and there's a chance they'd be offered a place in Borstall (or similar) by the authorities .. I know that'd deter a multitude of kids from persuing crime.

Ramrod · 21-02-2004, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Perhaps, or perhaps their parent's caned them at home ... there's nothing like accidently arguing for the opposition eh?

I very much doubt that was the case...but I like your argument

Stuartbe · 21-02-2004, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Stealing as in shoplifting? Presumably they're caught then (and on a regular basis) and there's a chance they'd be offered a place in Borstall (or similar) by the authorities .. I know that'd deter a multitude of kids from persuing crime.

So you would let your children be taken into a young ofenders institute ??

Thats not a deterent. Children need love, support and dicipline. Not locking up !

Ramrod · 21-02-2004, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Bifta

And obviously you treated the cases mentioned to prove differently ....

They didn't mention any cases.....

gee....this is getting heated

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Woah there....I didn't say that you aren't a fine upstanding member of your community and a wonderful human being

I'm not saying that you did, I just brought it up as others mentioned that they are in a similar position to me but had experienced corporal punishment, certainly in my case corporal punishment would have been completely unnecessary as the lack of it appeared to do the job just as well.

Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:37

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

So you would let your children be taken into a young ofenders institute ??

Thats not a deterent. Children need love, support and dicipline. Not locking up !

If you thought you were going to be locked up in a young offenders institute would you even consider stealing again? I know sure as egg's are oval that I wouldn't. (btw, I'm not inferring that you're a tea leaf btw

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Bifta · 21-02-2004, 18:38

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

gee....this is getting heated

I agree, I'm going to duck out before I offend anyone else.

Ramrod · 21-02-2004, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Bifta

I'm not saying that you did, I just brought it up as others mentioned that they are in a similar position to me but had experienced corporal punishment, certainly in my case corporal punishment would have been completely unnecessary as the lack of it appeared to do the job just as well.

People are different. Some kids will naturaly obey their parents and teachers, others will need a system of rewards and punishments. As I said in my original post here, caning should only be used as a very last resort (before expulsion/borstal) and then only to punish dangerous behaviour or perhaps gross property damage.
I am not a member of the the 'flog em' brigade. It's just that you need a last resort otherwise you get the situation (that we have) where the pupil has been expelled from all schools that will take him and a life of uneducated, crime ridden, dole claiming is all that he can look foreward to.

Stuartbe · 21-02-2004, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Bifta

If you thought you were going to be locked up in a young offenders institute would you even consider stealing again? I know sure as egg's are oval that I wouldn't. (btw, I'm not inferring that you're a tea leaf btw

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Great -

The child gets locked up in a young ofenders institute. There he can learn how to be an even better criminal from the other kids........

Sorry m8 - It does not work - The child will come out of prison worse than he went in.