Which person is worse?

[admars]

Back on topic, this story seems relevant:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1899674.html

Man killed fellow prisoner who raped his sister after chance meeting behind bars

A prisoner in Washington state has been jailed for almost 25 years after unexpectedly being placed in the same cell as the man who raped his younger sister and beating him to death.

So, they knew what they were doing, an act of revenge, they knew they were doing a bad thing, but as we know, sometimes these attacks go "unseen", as they're deemed "fair game". Some might say that's a "good" evil act?


it does seem too much of a coincidence for this to happen by (bad) luck.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by admars

Back on topic, this story seems relevant:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1899674.html




So, they knew what they were doing, an act of revenge, they knew they were doing a bad thing, but as we know, sometimes these attacks go "unseen", as they're deemed "fair game". Some might say that's a "good" evil act?


it does seem too much of a coincidence for this to happen by (bad) luck.

I don't have much problem with trial by combat tbh

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Russ

Trust me there are plenty, PLENTY of people out there who deliberately behave in an unpleasant manner and when they get called out on it, blame their ‘disability’.

Some dementia sufferers can become violent as a direct result of their condition, it would also be wrong to blame this on the individual instead of apportioning this to their condition.

[Russ]

So I’m guessing you missed where I said “plenty” and not “all”?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

It's very odd how you can write articulately, but as soon as you don't like something being said to you you whip out the 'i have a disability' card. As if you didn't understand what i said.

Now, go and seek affirmation from your support worker, I'm sure they will tell you again, that you did, said absolutely nothing wrong & It's certainly everyone else's fault

I'm not going to waste any more of my time on a weapons grade helmet such as yourself.

You have no idea how my disability affects me, nor what accessibility aids that I use. Russ suffers from a variety of conditions but (to my knowledge) is able to write in a perfectly articulate fashion without any help.

This just goes to show how little you understand about the difficulties that those with mental & physical disabilities face. There's nothing wrong with that in itself, but you don't even try, in fact you go out of your way to make the lives of disabled people even harder than they already are.

Whilst I wouldn't wish dementia etc on you or anybody else, if this happens to you, I hope that you are met with a similar nasty arrogant attitude from those around you.

Best to put me and any other disabled members on ignore if you aren't able to discuss/debate matters with disabled/vulnerable people in a decent, respectful and adult manner.

Hopefully, the forthcoming online harms legislation will help to protect the disabled community from being subject to such unpleasant online behaviour.

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Originally Posted by admars

Back on topic, this story seems relevant:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1899674.html




So, they knew what they were doing, an act of revenge, they knew they were doing a bad thing, but as we know, sometimes these attacks go "unseen", as they're deemed "fair game". Some might say that's a "good" evil act?


it does seem too much of a coincidence for this to happen by (bad) luck.

Yes, it would be nice to get back to the subject under discussion rather than indulging those who crave hostility and discord from deliberately orchestrating arguments.

I have no doubt that what you say is correct and that a blind eye is taken when it suits.

My own opinion is that the due process of law should be applied. Society has decided that rape is unacceptable and that it should be punished in certain ways that doesn't include vigilantism.

I can understand why people feel aggrieved and want to exact personal revenge, but cannot support this behaviour.

A breakdown in law & order would be to the detriment of everyone in society.

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Originally Posted by Russ

So I’m guessing you missed where I said “plenty” and not “all”?

I personally don't know of anybody that has done this, but on the balance of probabilities I accept that it's likely to have happened as people seek to avoid going to prison.

Ironically, the result of them doing this successfully could be that they end up being locked up for life to protect the public. Imprisonment would likely mean that they would be released after a period of time.

The thing is, medically untrained people aren't able to differentiate the difference, so it's best left to the experts who have trained over many years to be able to do so.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I personally don't know of anybody that has done this,

We all know of at least one person who does it.

[Carth]

The difference between medically trained and medically untrained people:

A spoilt, disruptive, attention seeking child/teenager with no respect for others, can be viewed by the untrained as 'a spoilt brat that needs a good slapping'

The medically trained expert however, would probably view them as a child/young adult with a mental disability that causes them to act this way, and the poor little lost souls need lots of care and support (and lawyers) to prevent them being classed as naughty.

Once the affected person grasps the idea that 'it isn't their fault', it gives them the excuse needed to carry on regardless, with the knowledge that there's an army of experts at hand to absolve them.

Just my thoughts on the matter, and it's quite possible I'm the only person in the world that thinks like this . . . probably my fault due to refusing to get into the box society assigned to me.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You have no idea how my disability affects me, nor what accessibility aids that I use. Russ suffers from a variety of conditions but (to my knowledge) is able to write in a perfectly articulate fashion without any help.

This just goes to show how little you understand about the difficulties that those with mental & physical disabilities face. There's nothing wrong with that in itself, but you don't even try, in fact you go out of your way to make the lives of disabled people even harder than they already are.

Whilst I wouldn't wish dementia etc on you or anybody else, if this happens to you, I hope that you are met with a similar nasty arrogant attitude from those around you.

Best to put me and any other disabled members on ignore if you aren't able to discuss/debate matters with disabled/vulnerable people in a decent, respectful and adult manner.

Hopefully, the forthcoming online harms legislation will help to protect the disabled community from being subject to such unpleasant online behaviour.

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Yes, it would be nice to get back to the subject under discussion rather than indulging those who crave hostility and discord from deliberately orchestrating arguments.

I have no doubt that what you say is correct and that a blind eye is taken when it suits.

My own opinion is that the due process of law should be applied. Society has decided that rape is unacceptable and that it should be punished in certain ways that doesn't include vigilantism.

I can understand why people feel aggrieved and want to exact personal revenge, but cannot support this behaviour.

A breakdown in law & order would be to the detriment of everyone in society.

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I personally don't know of anybody that has done this, but on the balance of probabilities I accept that it's likely to have happened as people seek to avoid going to prison.

Ironically, the result of them doing this successfully could be that they end up being locked up for life to protect the public. Imprisonment would likely mean that they would be released after a period of time.

The thing is, medically untrained people aren't able to differentiate the difference, so it's best left to the experts who have trained over many years to be able to do so.

If you want to make a complaint about my perceived behaviour then do it, but either do it or shut up with the poorly veiled threats. You odious little fool.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

If you want to make a complaint about my perceived behaviour then do it, but either do it or shut up with the poorly veiled threats. You odious little fool.

No threats have been made, veiled or otherwise.

Your statement that you were to cease dialogue with me didn't last long, this confirms my suspicion that you get some sort of perverted kick out of upsetting others.

If you don't enjoy doing this, then stop, for your own sake. It won't do you any good in this life or the next.

There may well be reasons why you're dissatisfied with your life to the point of internalised anger, resentment or bitterness. If so, i'm sorry that this has caused you to become like this because it's a crying shame that you are wasting the time that you have left instead of enjoying the wonder that this world has to offer.

I and other people in my disability support group have actually discussed this and the general consensus was that it is so easy for people to become bitter & twisted or even consider suicide as an option when their life doesn't turn out as expected.

We all agreed that it is helpful to take on board that there is always somebody out there in a worse position than yourself, always. The best thing to do with your remaining years is to put whatever it is that's eating away at you behind. If it's another person that's wronged you, the only person that will suffer from this will be yourself, they won't know or care.

We are all here for a very short time and, as we get older, we appreciate this more and more. I believe that the whole point/meaning of life is to learn and grow as people/souls/spirits whatever you want to call it. We will all make mistakes along the way, but that doesn't matter as long as we learn from making them.

If you would like to talk in private, you can always PM me and I will do my best to help or point you in the direction of someone who can.

People are probably wondering why I would offer the hand of friendship to someone who has gone out of their way to be as unpleasant as possible, well the answer to that is I believe in 'love the sinner, hate the sin'.

All the best and I hope, for your own sake and nobody else's, that you can take some quiet time at some point to have a think about things and start to enjoy your life in a more positive way.

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Originally Posted by Russ

We all know of at least one person who does it.

I don't know anybody like this. As you probably know, disabled people are more likely to play down their disability than anything else.

[Russ]

#MassiveIronyAlert

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Carth

The difference between medically trained and medically untrained people:

A spoilt, disruptive, attention seeking child/teenager with no respect for others, can be viewed by the untrained as 'a spoilt brat that needs a good slapping'

The medically trained expert however, would probably view them as a child/young adult with a mental disability that causes them to act this way, and the poor little lost souls need lots of care and support (and lawyers) to prevent them being classed as naughty.

Once the affected person grasps the idea that 'it isn't their fault', it gives them the excuse needed to carry on regardless, with the knowledge that there's an army of experts at hand to absolve them.

Just my thoughts on the matter, and it's quite possible I'm the only person in the world that thinks like this . . . probably my fault due to refusing to get into the box society assigned to me.

A lot of parents of neuro diverse children get very upset at attitudes like this.

They say that when they go outside with their children, some less enlightened people glare, tut or even make comments along the lines of bad parenting, naughty children etc. Whilst this might be true in some cases, it's much more likely to be the result of autism ADHD etc.

If I come across this I just ignore it because I don't know the causes of the behaviour and don't wish to make a difficult situation even worse. #bekind

#therebutforthegraceofgodwalki