Explosion on London Underground

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think ISIS just said that for propaganda. Realistically there always seems to be a handful of teenagers at risk of radicalisation either people born here or who've come over as refugees for them to bother with that surely?

I reckon they said it both for propaganda and because it's true, albeit in small numbers in the UK at least. That being said it doesn't take many people to start radicalising or training others does it so we're probably yet to feel the extent of how many people have come here and wish to do us harm.

ISIS are in the fortunate position to be able to exploit any situation to suit their ends and that includes the migrant crisis. They can do it by sending operatives amongst the 'refugees' and they can use the plight of the refugees to further outrage and radicalise muslims already in Europe and the UK. They know that 99% of people will reject their ideas and extremism but the 1% who don't are more than capable of causing death and mayhem.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Osem

I reckon they said it both for propaganda and because it's true, albeit in small numbers in the UK at least. That being said it doesn't take many people to start radicalising or training others does it so we're probably yet to feel the extent of how many people have come here and wish to do us harm.

ISIS are in the fortunate position to be able to exploit any situation to suit their ends and that includes the migrant crisis. They can do it by sending operatives amongst the 'refugees' and they can use the plight of the refugees to further outrage and radicalise muslims already in Europe and the UK. They know that 99% of people will reject their ideas and extremism but the 1% who don't are more than capable of causing death and mayhem.

1% appears to be a relatively small number but once you consider how many 1% of just 1million is you are talking about a significant number.

IMHO what we've seen in recent years is just the tip of the iceberg, they may be getting defeated on the battlefield where their "Caliphate" exists but that doesn't mean they will disappear.

Terrorist atrocities will increase and their methods of attack will multiply. Of that you can be certain.

[Russ]

As we speak police are raising a second house in Newport. I'm watching it from my windows, they've taken away what seems to be 4 or 5 men.

[Qtx]

So Theresa May has let the papers know she intends to tell the United Nations assembly that technology companies need to do more to stop terrorism.

Why do we only hear from her when she wants to attack technology, encryption or give the police and GCHQ more powers to spy on us?

And she'll share that opinion with the majority of the public it seems. As with science they're aren't enough technology reporters who get to report on mainstream stories so instead these issues get presented to the public by political reporters who present it, as they're trained to do, as an a debate between two sides of equal weight.

Which means many people are under the impression that encryption can be unlocked 'only' for terrorists which they understandably support. It's the same line which politicians push as well and do so to technically illiterate interviewers who fail to challenge them. Not to mention privacy is not an issue the public seems to care much about - the government and many government bodies have easy access to our internet history, phone calls, communications and no one cares.

Someone needs to make the public case that encryption is the same for everyone. The same set of technologies that allow people to plot securely also protects the messages between you and your friends/family, protects your health records, protects your photos and protects your financial information. If you add a weakness for terrorists you add it for all of us.

So arrest total stands at 6, last time I looked. Youngest 17 years old, arrested last night.