[Updated] Theresa May is new UK PM

Originally Posted by martyh

The prime minister is not the leader of the country,influential yes ,leader of the party with the most seats in the Commons yes,but definitely not the leader of the country .

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/prime-minister

Responsibilities

The Prime Minister is head of the UK government and is ultimately responsible for the policy and decisions of the government.

Not sure what the difference between 'the leader of the country' and 'the head of the government' is?

Originally Posted by Kursk

I don't think we should be too British about this - our famous sense of fair play will not serve us well in negotiations within the den of iniquity that is Europe.

All poiticians are on notice now more than ever that if you fail to serve the people in the way that the people expect, you will soon feel the weight of a hefty boot removing you from No 10.

But we're talking being able to do basic political business. Politics does require some trust. If he has alienated his MPs he won't make a Tory Member vote.

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/prime-minister Not sure what the difference between 'the leader of the country' and 'the head of the government' is?

Quite a lot ,Obama is the leader of his country ,Cameron is the leader of the Conservative Party .America votes for a leader ,we vote for a party .That's not to say that the leader of the party and their popularity doesn't have some bearing on who votes for the party .

The office is not established by any constitution or law but exists only by long-established convention, which stipulates that the monarch must appoint as prime minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons; this individual is typically the leader of the political party or coalition of parties that holds the largest number of seats in that chamber

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_...22_Premiership

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Boris has proven that it's not just us and the rest of the world that think he's an incapable fool with no brain.

He didn't have the full backing of the Party so that rules him out straight away. Michael Gove though he's a backstabber. However I see why he did it as he knew Boris didn't have what it will take.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Personally l prefer May as Gove to me is one of those wolf's in sheep's clothing.

I think she is a secret leaver myself. It was something on tv news the other day and she will do her best to negotiate a good deal for us.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/prime-minister Not sure what the difference between 'the leader of the country' and 'the head of the government' is?

The leader of the country is the Prime Minister and the head of the Government surely is the Queen. She does refer to them as 'My Government'.

The leader of the country in any real sense is the PM but the symbolic head of state is the Queen.

Originally Posted by Damien

The leader of the country in any real sense is the PM but the symbolic head of state is the Queen.

But we don't vote for a leader

Originally Posted by martyh

But we don't vote for a leader

No but let's not pretend the PM is one of the bigger things people consider.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I'm not on about the EU when I talk of making up I'm talking about the people of this country there is a divide that needs healing much as it can as well as the EU negotiations. Leave won the vote and whoever becomes the next pm will follow the result so we're leaving, a smart but acceptable political leader is the requirement best for the UK now and Gove isn't that politician. Stabbing two friends in the back is not the quality that causes others to be open and confident in any assurances given a major part of any deal is that the deal will be respected by both could you honestly deal with Gove and not worry he'd go back on any agreement if he felt it was better for him.

May has proven to be a reliable and very competent politician and after what happened with Cameron and that deal he came back with in February no politician will make that mistake again. End of the day it's irrelevant Gove might have been clever in clearing opposition but he was stupid in being so obvious in what he did and has alienated too many fellow conservatives to become the leader.

We could argue on but it would be divisive .

We have undergone cataclysmic change in these past couple of weeks. There are big decisions ahead. The new PM will not be some kind of agony uncle reconciling the differences of quarrelling relatives. He will be dealing with a powerful organisation that is hurt and smarting. It is no place for the reliable and humdrum, it is a place for the brash and confident or we will get walked over.

You voted leave and yet you are noticeably backing away from the ball you (we) have started rolling. It's no time to run for the shelter of Mrs Grey-Remainer. If you wanted more of the same you should have voted for Remain. Now is the time to see this thing through.

Originally Posted by Damien

But we're talking being able to do basic political business. Politics does require some trust. If he has alienated his MPs he won't make a Tory Member vote.

I feel he is skilful enough to overcome the doubters although it does seem his chance may be slipping away. Once again, the national interest is second fiddle to internal party politics. A mistake we will regret very soon imho.

[Big Brian]

As an aside. What happened to democracy and majority rules? Thousands of pro-EU people gather in London to March to Parliament Square. They want us to remain in the EU and I don't think they realise the consequences of their actions. Anarchy could break out among the Leavers. There could be battles in the streets if the Government give in and either not invoke Article 50 or hold another referendum.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

As an aside. What happened to democracy and majority rules? Thousands of pro-EU people gather in London to March to Parliament Square. They want us to remain in the EU and I don't think they realise the consequences of their actions. Anarchy could break out among the Leavers. There could be battles in the streets if the Government give in and either not invoke Article 50 or hold another referendum.

a turnout of self centered little Londoner's screaming for their democratic right to ignore democracy

its all part of the five stages of grief , denial, anger, bargaining, depression and then acceptance

Andea Leadsom seems to want a internet equivalent of the BBFC to approve sites before they're accessible: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/vo...ine-censorship

There is a view that the internet is in need of a monitor for obscene and adult websites. Outside of cyberspace, we have bodies such as Ofcom and the British Board of Film Classification that continually work to ensure our children are not exposed to the wrong things. This could be implemented in some way online, whereby a website would have to have its content "rated" before being accessible online. While it sounds like a massive leap, the majority of new websites already go through testing when they are hosted to make sure that a site is intact and that files and content are free of viruses. This would simply be adding another check to the list, and in reality it is a burden already carried by film makers.

She can't be a serious candidate can she? The only reason this is coming out now is no one has previously paid much attention to her.

Originally Posted by Damien

Andea Leadsom seems to want a internet equivalent of the BBFC to approve sites before they're accessible: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/vo...ine-censorship



She can't be a serious candidate can she? The only reason this is coming out now is no one has previously paid much attention to her.

Love it ,the childlike innocence ,"just implemented some way" if it was a simple as that doesn't she think it would already be done

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

Andea Leadsom seems to want a internet equivalent of the BBFC to approve sites before they're accessible: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/vo...ine-censorship

She can't be a serious candidate can she? The only reason this is coming out now is no one has previously paid much attention to her.

Sounds hopeless and is already making promises without conditions.
May and Crabb are remainers so they are out too imho.
Liam Fox isn't a statesman.
That leaves the brilliant and ruthless Michael Gove. A true brexiteer. Any other selection would be a travesty.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Sounds hopeless and is already making promises without conditions.
May and Crabb are remainers so they are out too imho.
Liam Fox isn't a statesman.
That leaves the brilliant and ruthless Michael Gove. A true brexiteer. Any other selection would be a travesty.

So backing the loser l see old boy.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by denphone

So backing the loser l see old boy.

The mandate is with a brexiteer; my spidey sense tells me that a substantial number of 17.4m Leavers will expect nothing less old chap .