The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Police officers can tell within a matter of seconds regarding vehicles tax, insured and mot etc.

I thin the only problem that will come up, is car thiefs. They will have a field day with this. There are more vehicles on the road that have dodgy plates, all they will need to do is nick someones else plates. And police cannot be everywhere.

That happens now... All that is changing is they will no longer issue tax discs. Bearing in mind it's probably relatively easy to knock up a tax disc that will at least pass a casual inspection, how is a tax disc going to help if someone has changed the plates?

[richard s]

I wonder how many job losses their will be in Swansea...

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by richard s

I wonder how many job losses their will be in Swansea...

http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co...ail/story.html

I am guessing this has been posted but I searched the thread for transferable and it come up with no finds so I am probably repeating but from the change the Tax will no longer be transferred and new owners have to pay fresh.
Does not effect me but HUKD bought this to my attention

When selling a vehicle to a new vehicle keeper, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferable.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-changes

[Gary L]

When selling a vehicle to a new vehicle keeper, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferable. Vehicle tax will end when a vehicle is sold and the new keeper will need to get the vehicle taxed immediately before the vehicle can be used.

Why???

so you can't buy and sell a car and drive it away anymore?
what's the catch?
who wins, and who loses out?

I expect immediately is something like call a number, and for a £50 fee they will allow you to drive the car 'legally' and then when you get it home you can pay the full 6/12 months fee as usual.
so somebody wins by £50 a pop.

you just have to think like a scammer to understand how the scam will work.

Whatever the reasons given for this. the real reason is to rip us off. it's going to be a reason that makes 'them' money.

so come election time. don't vote for the one that you think will come up with too many ways to get money out of you.

[Pierre]

More ways to bleed every ounce of cash out of drivers.

Tax and MOT used to be selling points on cars, especially at the cheaper end of the market.

so come election time. don't vote for the one that you think will come up with too many ways to get money out of you.

That would be all of them then.

However, I would still trust the overall tax burden to come down under a Conservative lead government than a Labour one.

[Gary L]

If you sell the car half way through a month. by surrendering the tax. you'll only get full months refunded. so instead 0f 3.5 that it is you'll only get 3.

the catch is that the person who bought that car half way through a month will have to pay a full 6 or 12 months.

so there's a 1/2 month lost. but a 1/2 month gained.
multiply that by a few million of the cars being sold and bought everyday. and you have about 50 million pound a year scammed.

when they do it. it's legal
when you do it. it's fraud.

stuff them. it's everyman for themselves. scam away

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Gary L

If you sell the car half way through a month. by surrendering the tax. you'll only get full months refunded. so instead 0f 3.5 that it is you'll only get 3.

the catch is that the person who bought that car half way through a month will have to pay a full 6 or 12 months.

so there's a 1/2 month lost. but a 1/2 month gained.
multiply that by a few million of the cars being sold and bought everyday. and you have about 50 million pound a year scammed.

when they do it. it's legal
when you do it. it's fraud.

stuff them. it's everyman for themselves. scam away

And how does that differ from now?

What I fail to see is why people are ignoring the positives and concentrating on negatives that really don't exist.

It will now be easier to price a vehicle at the lower end because the cost of remaining tax is not considered. Also this means that those without insurance who purchased a car with tax are now not able to do so.

The 10% additional charge for purchasing 6 months tax will be replaced by a 5% charge and the option to pay monthly. This is surely a great help for lower income households.

In addition they have also removed the ridiculous annual SORN renewal for vehicles that have already declared SORN. I could never understand the requirement, if it's off road, it's off road until the situation changes. Except of course Labour were raking in fines for people like myself who didn't receive a reminder in the post and forgot to SORN the motorbike in boxes spread between my attic and garage. (The fine was more than a years tax)

The other issue was that not only did Labour stop individuals scrapping a car by sending the V5 back as scrapped, they expected the owner in these circumstances to lie and declare it SORN each year for ever even though it has been cut up and weighed in. Labour were of course too thick to realise that as time goes on and the vehicle became more of a classic it would encourage vehicle identity fraud as the V5 for the SORN vehicle would have value.

Not that I know anyone who made money from this Labour stupidity

[banjo]

638.
horseburger
5th December 2013 - 11:23

So what happens when they make a "computer error" and my car is deemed to be untaxed.. at the moment I have a valid tax disk which is excellent defence.

Also I think Osborn has forgotten who makes use of tax disks... it's not just the police.

I hire a car.. is it taxed?

I take a car from a car pool at work.. is it taxed?

How does Valet parking check?


Not just the police that need to know.

Originally Posted by banjo

638.
horseburger
5th December 2013 - 11:23

So what happens when they make a "computer error" and my car is deemed to be untaxed.. at the moment I have a valid tax disk which is excellent defence.

Also I think Osborn has forgotten who makes use of tax disks... it's not just the police.

I hire a car.. is it taxed?

I take a car from a car pool at work.. is it taxed?

How does Valet parking check?


Not just the police that need to know.

If you hire a car and it's not taxed it makes no difference to you as you are not the registered keeper ,same applies for car pools and why would valet parking need to check
The receipt for your purchase of vehicle tax will suffice as proof ,just keep it in the glove box if you don't trust the electronic system that has in fact been very reliable since it's introduction

[banjo]

As far as I know if you are driving the vehicle you are responsible for it being taxed mot'd and insured and the tyres being legal etc.

If the car is not taxed then you are uninsured oh joy

Originally Posted by banjo

As far as I know if you are driving the vehicle you are responsible for it being taxed mot'd and insured and the tyres being legal etc.

If the car is not taxed then you are uninsured oh joy

Incorrect, having no tax on a vehicle does not make the insurance invalid ,i can think of no reasons at all why we need to display a tax disc

Driving without current tax disc
If a car has no road tax then insurers are still obliged to pay out for all claims. Despite committing an offence by not having tax, this is irrelevant to the accident and the insurer. A car can legally be on the road without tax if it's going to a pre-booked MOT test - during which the insurance is not invalidated.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/advice...surance-valid/

[banjo]

Originally Posted by martyh

If you hire a car and it's not taxed it makes no difference to you as you are not the registered keeper ,same applies for car pools and why would valet parking need to check
The receipt for your purchase of vehicle tax will suffice as proof ,just keep it in the glove box if you don't trust the electronic system that has in fact been very reliable since it's introduction

That's a good idea carry proof of tax in the car, oh I am already doing that by using a tax disc !

Originally Posted by banjo

That's a good idea carry proof of tax in the car, oh I am already doing that by using a tax disc !

You have yet to come up with a good reason why you would need such proof

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by banjo

That's a good idea carry proof of tax in the car, oh I am already doing that by using a tax disc !

So how do you prove you have insurance if you are stopped by the police, do you carry a copy of that as well?

Remember the MID is not 100% accurate, there is the potential that thousands of cars are driving around at any point in time that are not on the database. It is the responsibility of the insurance company to up date the MID within I believe 5 working days, and something like 10 working days for a fleet operator. (Google to confirm this if you wish)

I believe you are more likely to have issues with the MID than car tax, I acknowledge that the DVLA are fairly incompetent but the MID is updated by third parties of varying quality.

I always carry a picture of my insurance policy on my mobile phone for my car and motorbike for this reason. And yes I have had issues with insurance companies not updating the MID, I guess many people do but probably don't know as they haven't checked.

If the police stop you for not being on the MID, some forces are known to treat the MID as 100% accurate and seize the vehicle. It is then up to you to argue with the insurance company and the police to recover your vehicle.