Unpaid workschemes are illegal

Originally Posted by martyh

OH i see ,stoodent ethics trumps obligations to society .

'Obligations to society' is a rather grandiose description for making people work for a private company without that company having to pay them. Since when did society become synonymous with private corporations? Helping society is doing what she did, working for non-profits, schools, hospitals or museums. If the Government is effectively paying for people to be forced to do work then they can at least make them done something that helps the people that pay taxes instead of giving free labour to private equity firms.

Originally Posted by martyh

OH i see ,stoodent ethics trumps obligations to society .

It's not student ethics at all.It's common sense.If she is doing voluntary work then she isn't doing someone else out of a permanent job.

[nomadking]

The other person in the appeal wasn't being asked to work for a company.

Mr Wilson was told that his Jobseeker's Allowance would be stopped after he refused to take part in the Community Action Programme, which his lawyers said would have involved him working unpaid for 30 hours per week for six months.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

It's not student ethics at all.It's common sense.If she is doing voluntary work then she isn't doing someone else out of a permanent job.

She wasn't doing anybody out of a job as there was no job available in the first place as i have already explained

Originally Posted by martyh

She wasn't doing anybody out of a job as there was no job available in the first place as i have already explained

There was work at Poundland.We agree on that surely.Work that someone could have done on a permanent basis?Could have got a minimum wage for doing?

But instead Poundland got some one for 4 weeks at a time at less than minimum wage paid for by the taxpayer through the benefits system.Then they got another sucker for 4 weeks at less than minimum wages paid for by the taxpayer through the benefits system.

How you cannot see this beats me?

[danielf]

Speaking of 'obligations to society': it seems a little wasteful to me to have people with degrees stacking shelves and mopping floors. I think she's better placed and of more benefit to society doing volunteer work for a museum.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by danielf

Speaking of 'obligations to society': it seems a little wasteful to me to have people with degrees stacking shelves and mopping floors. I think she's better placed and of more benefit to society doing volunteer work for a museum.

There was nothing stopping her from working at the museum, just that she shouldn't expected to receive benefits for it.

[Ramrod]

I don't think unemployed people should be forced to work for private firms. It seems wrong.
Equally, I'm not sure why the taxpayer should be paying out dole money ad infinitum to able bodied people who are either unemployable or have no desire to work.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I don't think unemployed people should be forced to work for private firms. It seems wrong.
Equally, I'm not sure why the taxpayer should be paying out dole money ad infinitum to able bodied people who are either unemployable or have no desire to work.

I'm not disagreeing with either position.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

There was nothing stopping her from working at the museum, just that she shouldn't expected to receive benefits for it.

So in the meantime how is she to live?The museum wasn't paying anyone and wasn't hiring anyone.The JSA is used to to cover costs and to help her to seek work until she can get a full time job that she can use the degree for which she is already in student debt.

Some of you just don't realise how lucky you are to have a job..and don't have to jump through hoops to get a job.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'm not sure why the taxpayer should be paying out dole money ad infinitum to able bodied people who are either unemployable or have no desire to work.

Someone has to decide which one they are. and make sure they're not someone who can't get a job and has no money for food.

honestly. what do people want? would they prefer them to rot?

if people had their wish of no more "taxpayers" money for the lot of them.
we'd have crime hit the roof. we'd have people killing each other. we'd all be robbed. the streets would be chaos.

it won't affect you?
don't fool yourself.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Someone has to decide which one they are. and make sure they're not someone who can't get a job and has no money for food.

honestly. what do people want? would they prefer them to rot?

I don't have the answers. I just think it's wrong to force people to work like that and that it's also wrong for the taxpayer to foot a (in some cases) never ending bill.....

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I don't think unemployed people should be forced to work for private firms. It seems wrong.
Equally, I'm not sure why the taxpayer should be paying out dole money ad infinitum to able bodied people who are either unemployable or have no desire to work.

So what do we do with the 'unemployable'?

Originally Posted by Maggy J

There was work at Poundland.We agree on that surely.Work that someone could have done on a permanent basis?Could have got a minimum wage for doing?

But instead Poundland got some one for 4 weeks at a time at less than minimum wage paid for by the taxpayer through the benefits system.Then they got another sucker for 4 weeks at less than minimum wages paid for by the taxpayer through the benefits system.

How you cannot see this beats me?

and i cannot understand how you cannot see that there was no job .The work carried out i.e mopping floors and stacking shelves was already done by existing staff ,nobody was layed off ,all it meant is that the existing staff had a slightly easier time of it

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by danielf

So what do we do with the 'unemployable'?

I dunno, public sector work?
Didn't the USA govt put loads of unemployed people to work on big public projects in the 30's?

[Anonymouse]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Some of you just don't realise how lucky you are to have a job..and don't have to jump through hoops to get a job.

Thank you for saying so, Maggy! I'm glad someone has!