Drug law reform

[Zee]

the way I see it is, if someone wants to do it, they're going to do it whether banned , illegal or legal, so why not legalise these drug and distribute them in controlled places like certain pharmacy's, those people using them should need to register and a track put on how much they use, if they're heavy users, the money made should be put towards helping these people cut down or stop completely.

cigarettes and alcohol do much more damage to peoples health then some the class A drugs so this is something the government should consider.

As I said these people are going to get these drugs either way, we don't know what is in street drugs, they are putting their life in further danger at least controlled drugs would be a lot more safe and 100% clean.

Originally Posted by Zee

the way I see it is, if someone wants to do it, they're going to do it whether banned , illegal or legal, so why not legalise these drug and distribute them in controlled places like certain pharmacy's, those people using them should need to register and a track put on how much they use, if they're heavy users, the money made should be put towards helping these people cut down or stop completely.

cigarettes and alcohol do much more damage to peoples health then some the class A drugs so this is something the government should consider.

As I said these people are going to get these drugs either way, we don't know what is in street drugs, they are putting their life in further danger at least controlled drugs would be a lot more safe and 100% clean.

I agree.

My drug overdoses are due to a good batch and stronger doses than normal. The criminals who make billions double their money down the line so most Class A powder at least has very little of it in it by the time it is taken

[Zee]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I agree.

My drug overdoses are due to a good batch and stronger doses than normal. The criminals who make billions double their money down the line so most Class A powder at least has very little of it in it by the time it is taken

the fact that people are moving towards legal highs aswell is another real concern.

Im not saying all the legal highs are dangerous, but so many are coming onto the market its hard to keep track of what is what, and we don't have any idea whats in them or what they even are.

At least with the illegal stuff they have been tested and we know what they are and what they do.

Even recently some of the "safer" legal highs were put on temporary bans this year and just days later replacements were shipped, these quick bans are putting peoples lives at further risk as these people developing legal highs are 10 steps ahead of the government.

We'll have more of an issue in the future with legal highs and keeping drugs illegal, rather than legalising and controlling, legalising and controlling is the way forward and this government really needs to consider their actions.

Originally Posted by Zee

the way I see it is, if someone wants to do it, they're going to do it whether banned , illegal or legal, so why not legalise these drug and distribute them in controlled places like certain pharmacy's, those people using them should need to register and a track put on how much they use, if they're heavy users, the money made should be put towards helping these people cut down or stop completely.

cigarettes and alcohol do much more damage to peoples health then some the class A drugs so this is something the government should consider.

As I said these people are going to get these drugs either way, we don't know what is in street drugs, they are putting their life in further danger at least controlled drugs would be a lot more safe and 100% clean.

That's like arguing to make stealing legal ,some people do it despite it being illegal so why not make it legal

[Zee]

Originally Posted by martyh

That's like arguing to make stealing legal ,some people do it despite it being illegal so why not make it legal

you steal kingsmil bread from Tesco or Sainsburys its going to be the same thing, you buy ecstasy from a street dealer or from these controlled pharmacy it likely wont be the same.

We're talking about peoples lives here and to be honest, there are some things in life where people should be allowed to make their own decision on, but at the same time be given a safe option.

you argued that people are going to it anyway so make it legal ,if you argument is that quality will be better then my counter will be that people will still buy the cheap blackmarket stuff just as they do with fags, booze and anything you care to mention

[Zee]

Originally Posted by martyh

you argued that people are going to it anyway so make it legal ,if you argument is that quality will be better then my counter will be that people will still buy the cheap blackmarket stuff just as they do with fags, booze and anything you care to mention

my main point here being that as adults we should be given the choice to make these decisions whether or not take that which drug we desire and have that safety net just like we do with alcohol or cigarette.

Why should we be told that we're allowed to drink alcohol, but responsibly but not smoke cannabis.

Im not a smoker, a drinker or a drug taker, I quit cigarette and cannabis 3 years ago and have quit alcohol and the only other drug I did mdma in the last 4 months so it doesn't make much of a difference to me, but if we're old enough to decide if we can smoke cigarette, we're old enough to know if we can do cannabis or whatever other drug one desires.

People shouldn't somehow be made to feel "bad" just because they occasionally take ecstasy or smoke cannabis just because its illegal.

Originally Posted by Zee

my main point here being that as adults we should be given the choice to make these decisions whether or not take that which drug we desire and have that safety net just like we do with alcohol or cigarette.

Why should we be told that we're allowed to drink alcohol, but responsibly but not smoke cannabis.

Im not a smoker, a drinker or a drug taker, I quit cigarette and cannabis 3 years ago and have quit alcohol and the only other drug I did mdma in the last 4 months so it doesn't make much of a difference to me, but if we're old enough to decide if we can smoke cigarette, we're old enough to know if we can do cannabis or whatever other drug one desires.

People shouldn't somehow be made to feel "bad" just because they occasionally take ecstasy or smoke cannabis just because its illegal.

because that is where society has drawn the line .Alcohol as a drug has been largely ignored because of it's historical use and wide use as a substitute for water ,cigarettes because until fairly recently the dangers weren't known or acknowledged, now ,slowly they are being restricted untill eventually they will be banned imo

Pragmatism dictates that we have to rethink how we deal with drugs and addiction.

We can't afford the situation as it is now.It costs more and more to even keep pace with the present situation which all the anti drugs agencies admit that they are only controlling the tip of the iceberg.

Frankly what people want to do with their own bodies is not my concern.They will do it with or without my approval or disapproval.What is my concern is how much taxpayers money is being spent on a pointless exercise and war we can NEVER win.
That it is certain that removing the criminality from the situation WILL reduce the associated crime that surrounds the illegal trade in drugs.Licensed drugs that aren't adulterated and are at a reasonable price will mean that users won't have to turn to crime to feed their addiction.Addiction clinics can be provided from the customs and excise duty that the government could collect as they currently do from tobacco.Plus the tax that can be raised from legitimate growers,producers of said drugs would add to the country's tax coffers.

And yes we need to protect children but we already have to so in regards to alcohol and tobacco so that's an argument not worth making as education is the real answer to controlling addiction.

Mind what do I know..I've never felt the need to smoke or take drugs and alcohol is not a vice for me.All the above is my observations after years of watching others and reading up on the subject..maybe I am simplifying it.But when a senior policeman thinks it's a viable idea and previous drug consultants have suggested it I think it is time to really place it on the agenda for discussion because we are NOT winning the war on drugs.

[Russ]

If druggies want their vices to be legalised then I say fine, as long as punishments for crimes committed whilst under the influence of them are made much more harsh.

We already get people using "I don't remember doing it as I had taken *enter substance of choice* at the time" as a 'defence' in court and legalising all drugs will only lead to an increase.

[Zee]

we'll never win the war on drugs, unless we legalise and control them, it may take time to make a dent but its the first step. Other crimes will automatically go down which are largely funded by illegal drug trade.

The world will be in a much better position because of it.

Originally Posted by Russ

If druggies want their vices to be legalised then I say fine, as long as punishments for crimes committed whilst under the influence of them are made much more harsh.

We already get people using "I don't remember doing it as I had taken *enter substance of choice* at the time" as a 'defence' in court and legalising all drugs will only lead to an increase.

that's a wrong way of calling it.

I guess we can call anyone who drinks alcohol alcoholics, or maybe people who drink coffee, tea, eat chocolate or have energy drinks are also druggies.

Originally Posted by Russ

If druggies want their vices to be legalised then I say fine, as long as punishments for crimes committed whilst under the influence of them are made much more harsh.

We already get people using "I don't remember doing it as I had taken *enter substance of choice* at the time" as a 'defence' in court and legalising all drugs will only lead to an increase.

Agreed!But then I've never understood why a drunk driver who kills with the car can only be charged with accidental death or manslaughter.As far as I'm concerned it's straight murder because it's a well documented and proven matter that NO ONE can drink and drive safely.

Originally Posted by Russ

If druggies want their vices to be legalised then I say fine, as long as punishments for crimes committed whilst under the influence of them are made much more harsh.

We already get people using "I don't remember doing it as I had taken *enter substance of choice* at the time" as a 'defence' in court and legalising all drugs will only lead to an increase.

mostly heard from from the pee head

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Agreed!But then I've never understood why a drunk driver who kills with the car can only be charged with accidental death or manslaughter.As far as I'm concerned it's straight murder because it's a well documented and proven matter that NO ONE can drink and drive safely.

Agreed totally

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Originally Posted by Zee

we'll never win the war on drugs, unless we legalise and control them, it may take time to make a dent but its the first step. Other crimes will automatically go down which are largely funded by illegal drug trade.

The world will be in a much better position because of it.



that's a wrong way of calling it.

I guess we can call anyone who drinks alcohol alcoholics, or maybe people who drink coffee, tea, eat chocolate or have energy drinks are also druggies.

Yeah how many times do we hear " I can't start my day without a coffee" addiction by definition

[Zee]

well its caffeine at the end of the day which is a pretty dangerous drug. Just because its available in our daily products we consume doesn't change the fact that's its a dangerous, addictive drug.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by martyh

That's like arguing to make stealing legal ,some people do it despite it being illegal so why not make it legal

You do post a bit of rubbish here,sorry Marty.

Please look up 'malum in se' and 'malum prohibitum',two different legal concepts.

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Originally Posted by Russ

If druggies want their vices to be legalised then I say fine, as long as punishments for crimes committed whilst under the influence of them are made much more harsh.

We already get people using "I don't remember doing it as I had taken *enter substance of choice* at the time" as a 'defence' in court and legalising all drugs will only lead to an increase.

I take it this will apply for all drugs,including alcohol?