80mph speed limit 'would increase deaths by 20%'

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Depends on the circumstances, I've already stated that I drive to the conditions.

And what makes you an expert to make this assessment?

Originally Posted by Pierre

I will quite happily drive at 100mph on a motorway, in the dry, when it's not too busy and visibility is good.

I wont do 100mph on a country lane in the wet at night.

I adhere to 30&40 limits in built up areas.

Oblivious to the danger you are putting other road users in!

Originally Posted by Pierre

Most likely cause of an accident I witness daily is inattention on the motorway, just because you indicate doesn't mean you can pull out.

That is a typical remark from someone who drives dangerously. "well my lord, I was driving safely at 100mph, when some idiot dared to pull out and block my path. So I had no choice but to pile into the back of them, killing the family of four".

The fact is that when people look in their mirror before pulling out, they may see a car 200m behind them. But they won't expect that car to be travelling so fast that they are smashing into the back of them within a matter of seconds.

Originally Posted by Pierre

You can't judge my driving technique from what I have said on here.

Yes we can. You are clearly a dangerous and inconsiderate driver

Originally Posted by Pierre

Are they? how high.

Don't start that game, I don't rely on stats. I go by what I see with my own eyes.

Originally Posted by Pierre

because I have something called experience

and my experience

Experience doesn't make you a good driver. It can make you very complacent. And combined with your poor attitude, can make you very dangerous.

Originally Posted by Pierre

not excessive for the conditions at the time

for the conditions at the time

tells me I'm spot on

The fact that you admit to diving at 100mph+, and think it's safe, tells us all that you don't have a clue about judging what is safe and what isn't.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Why not?

Because you put them in serious danger

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't know never exxperienced it, and I can't speak for a judge.

Point of the question was?

Well lets hope you lose your licence before you do kill anyone

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Originally Posted by Pierre

You don't have to exceed the limits for a road to be dangerous.

50mph into a 90deg blind corner on a country road will get you, or someone, killed - but you haven't exceeded the limit.

Whereas 75-80 on the same road where is straightens out and you have good visibility for a mile or two is perfectly safe.

I said I drive fast....not stupid.

And I'm afraid it's numbskulls such as yourself and Mr Deegan that can't differentiate between the two.

Possibly just ignorant!!!

Are you trained to drive safely on public roads, at high speed??

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Are you trained to drive safely on public roads, at high speed??

Here we go. everyone except those who have a certificate are dangerous drivers

even those with certificates kill people.

Suppose it was possible for someone to get a certificate by paying for the course. and then he turned around and said I drive fast on the roads and I have the required certificate that says I have had the training and says I am competent. and then someone says are you a policeman or an emergency vehicle driver?

and he says no. that person will say well it don't count because only them people are safe drivers.

we are crazy people.

[Osem]

So what happens when our 100mph plus speeder loses control due to, say, a tyre blowout, falling asleep, suffering a heart attack, getting distracted by something or whatever? Do his clearly superior driving abilities and reactions allow him to prevent his car overturning and careering out of control into oncoming traffic? Do they prevent the wreckage of his destroyed vehicle becoming an instant and serious threat to all the other motorists using that road at the time? Even if his car and reactions are up to it, what about those mere mortal road users who're suddenly confronted with the result of his actions? The car careering towards them or the wreckage all over the road? Does our super driver know how they're going to react and what might happen to them? Does that even matter to him? Of course, such events can happen at 70mph but there's no doubt that the higher the speed, the less time there is for the driver and other road users to react to any event and the more likely it is that the outcome will be fatal. Yes in the modern world it is about getting a sensible balance between speed and safety and IMHO the current limit is just that but I wouldn't object to a slightly lower limit.

Those who want to speed and choose which laws they obey would be doing the rest of us a big favour by confining their actions to private roads or tracks where the only people they can hurt are themselves.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Osem

So what happens when our 100mph plus speeder loses control due to, say, a tyre blowout, falling asleep, suffering a heart attack, getting distracted by something or whatever? Do his clearly superior driving abilities and reactions allow him to prevent his car overturning and careering out of control into oncoming traffic? Do they prevent the wreckage of his destroyed vehicle becoming an instant and serious threat to all the other motorists using that road at the time? Even if his car and reactions are up to it, what about those mere mortal road users who're suddenly confronted with the result of his actions? The car careering towards them or the wreckage all over the road? Does our super driver know how they're going to react? Does that even matter to him? Of course, such events can happen at 70mph but there's no doubt that the higher the speed, the less time there is for the driver and other road users to react to any event and the more likely it is that the outcome will be fatal.

Would you feel safer if he had one of these certificates you can get?

Originally Posted by Gary L

Would you feel safer if he had one of these certificates you can get?

I got one of those and basically they just reinforce driving correctly i.e thinking ahead ,staying within limits ect.ect

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Would you feel safer if he had one of these certificates you can get?

Possibly but I'd feel even safer if everyone slowed down a bit and observed the Highway Code. I find it hard to accept that all of those who'll happily flout the speed limits adhere properly to all the other rules.

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Was that a typo??
The national speed limit is 70mph

it was late.... doh!

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Here we go. everyone except those who have a certificate are dangerous drivers

even those with certificates kill people.

Suppose it was possible for someone to get a certificate by paying for the course. and then he turned around and said I drive fast on the roads and I have the required certificate that says I have had the training and says I am competent. and then someone says are you a policeman or an emergency vehicle driver?

and he says no. that person will say well it don't count because only them people are safe drivers.

we are crazy people.

What a load of tosh!!

It isn't safe for anyone to drive on public highways, at excessive speeds, without blue lights and sirens to warn other road users.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Would you feel safer if he had one of these certificates you can get?

You can't get those certificates, full stop!!!

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Originally Posted by Osem

So what happens when our 100mph plus speeder loses control due to, say, a tyre blowout, falling asleep, suffering a heart attack, getting distracted by something or whatever? Do his clearly superior driving abilities and reactions allow him to prevent his car overturning and careering out of control into oncoming traffic? Do they prevent the wreckage of his destroyed vehicle becoming an instant and serious threat to all the other motorists using that road at the time? Even if his car and reactions are up to it, what about those mere mortal road users who're suddenly confronted with the result of his actions? The car careering towards them or the wreckage all over the road? Does our super driver know how they're going to react and what might happen to them? Does that even matter to him? Of course, such events can happen at 70mph but there's no doubt that the higher the speed, the less time there is for the driver and other road users to react to any event and the more likely it is that the outcome will be fatal. Yes in the modern world it is about getting a sensible balance between speed and safety and IMHO the current limit is just that but I wouldn't object to a slightly lower limit.

Those who want to speed and choose which laws they obey would be doing the rest of us a big favour by confining their actions to private roads or tracks where the only people they can hurt are themselves.

Very well put. However I think there are a couple of people in this thread who think that laws are there to be broken, rather than for our safety.

They should remember that the biggest killer on the roads isn't alcohol, it's over inflated egos, and over inflated views of ones own ability.

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Originally Posted by martyh

I got one of those and basically they just reinforce driving correctly i.e thinking ahead ,staying within limits ect.ect

I don't think he was talking about advanced driving. I think he was talking about emergency vehicle blue light training, which members of the public can't get.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

What a load of tosh!!

It isn't safe for anyone to drive on public highways, at excessive speeds, without blue lights and sirens to warn other road users.

So it's the sounds and lights that keep everybody safe?

no problem. we can get some lights and a siren.

You can't get those certificates, full stop!!!

That's really unfair. and besides that, I did say if it was possible.

I don't think he was talking about advanced driving.

He was.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Gary L

So it's the sounds and lights that keep everybody safe?

No, it's a trained driver, who uses the lights and sirens to warn other traffic that he is there.

Originally Posted by Gary L

no problem. we can get some lights and a siren.

Only if you want to get nicked

Originally Posted by Gary L

That's really unfair. and besides that, I did say if it was possible.

I'm afraid it is unfair, but there are always track days.

Originally Posted by Gary L

He was.

Well advanced driving doesn't even come close to emergency vehicle driving.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

No, it's a trained driver, who uses the lights and sirens to warn other traffic that he is there.

But it is possible that somebody will meet the standard without this 'magic' training?
nobody is safe on the roads whether they be edeserted** or not without this certificate in their back pocket and a switch that operates a genuine police siren, a set of genuine blue lights, inside an official assigned vehicle?

Only if you want to get nicked

it won't be an official blue one for legal reasons.

but if it was a blue one then the skill involved must surely be partly due to the public being aware of it.
would you say that turning his blue light off would reduce his skill at all?

Well advanced driving doesn't even come close to emergency vehicle driving.

For the sake of the argument* it can't be, can it.

*discussion.

** haven't got a clue. I'm still wondering what it is I supposed to have said.

Originally Posted by Pierre

You don't have to exceed the limits for a road to be dangerous.

50mph into a 90deg blind corner on a country road will get you, or someone, killed - but you haven't exceeded the limit.

Whereas 75-80 on the same road where is straightens out and you have good visibility for a mile or two is perfectly safe.

I said I drive fast....not stupid.

And I'm afraid it's numbskulls such as yourself and Mr Deegan that can't differentiate between the two.

Accidents do happen even when the drivers are driving to the conditions of the road and within limits ,people will die or get badly injured .The limits are there as a compromise between getting from A-B in a timely fashion and as safely as possible ,they are not a target to be reached and passed .

It sounds to me by reading your posts that you have convinced yourself that no matter what happens you have it all under control so best of luck 'cos your gonna need it when your numbskull hits a tree/brickwall/car/pedestrian or any other obstacle that had the ordacity to jump out in front of you

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Gary L

But it is possible that somebody will meet the standard without this 'magic' training?
nobody is safe on the roads whether they be edeserted** or not without this certificate in their back pocket and a switch that operates a genuine police siren, a set of genuine blue lights, inside an official assigned vehicle?

If you drive defensively, then you will be far safer on the road. But that wouldn't include driving at over 100mph. If we all drive at the same speed, then this is far safer. But with most of the traffic doing 60-70, whilst one idiot is doing 100mph+, then it is a combination of reaction times, speed differential, and awareness by other road users that someone is closing on them at 100mph+. It's with the awareness that the blues and twos come in.

So it is impossible to drive safely at 100mph+ without a means of warning other road users.

Originally Posted by Gary L

it won't be an official blue one for legal reasons.

but if it was a blue one then the skill involved must surely be partly due to the public being aware of it.
would you say that turning his blue light off would reduce his skill at all?

To start with it would be illegal to have any flashing blue light on your vehicle.

Blues and twos don't improve your skills, they make the situation safer by making other road users aware that there is another vehicle with a huge speed differential to them.

However, there are many people who have an over inflated belief in their own driving skills. I hear comments all the time about people believing that they are skilled drivers, so the collision couldn't possible have been their fault (even when it was). And other people saying that they can drive safely whilst using their mobile. Well apparently you are 4x more likely to be in an accident whilst using a mobile than you are drinking and driving (sorry I hate stats too).

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Originally Posted by martyh

It sounds to me by reading your posts that you have convinced yourself that no matter what happens you have it all under control so best of luck 'cos your gonna need it when your numbskull hits a tree/brickwall/car/pedestrian or any other obstacle that had the ordacity to jump out in front of you

The trouble is that more often than not, it seems to be the innocent party that gets killed. So I just hope that Pierre gets caught, and loses his licence before he kills someone.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

It sounds to me by reading your posts that you have convinced yourself that no matter what happens you have it all under control

I do thanks, if I didn't have it under control I would be dangerous. Do you often not feel in control when driving?

That's probably the difference between us, I have full confidence in my ability and control of my vehicle, if you're a nervous driver.... Have you considered public transport? Leave the roads for those that are in control

so best of luck 'cos your gonna need it when your numbskull hits a tree/brickwall/car/pedestrian or any other obstacle that had the ordacity to jump out in front of you

trees and brick Walls are inanimate objects and won't jump out on anyone, if a pedestrian jumps out in front of my car, if I'm in a 30 limit they may live, if not they may not. If they have jumped in front of my car they'll also get the bill for the repair.

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

But with most of the traffic doing 60-70,

ha, you don't get out that often do you

I just hope that Pierre gets caught, and loses his licence before he kills someone.

Whatever, yawn

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I do thanks, if I didn't have it under control I would be dangerous. Do you often not feel in control when driving?

That's probably the difference between us, I have full confidence in my ability and control of my vehicle, if you're a nervous driver.... Have you considered public transport? Leave the roads for those that are in control



trees and brick Walls are inanimate objects and won't jump out on anyone, if a pedestrian jumps out in front of my car, if I'm in a 30 limit they may live, if not they may not. If they have jumped in front of my car they'll also get the bill for the repair.

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ha, you don't get out that often do you




Whatever, yawn

I'm now convinced that you are just trolling.....nobody is that ignorant!!!

If you aren't, then your over confidence makes you dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

ha, you don't get out that often do you

Actually, if you actually woke up and took any notice of what the other traffic are doing, then you would see that most of the traffic travels at 60-70mph on motorways.