VM finally post news on bridge mode - superhub - Page 5

zekeisaszekedoes · 17-02-2011, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Masque

I have a Superhub and I am using my own Edimax BR6504N router, all I did was disable DHCP in the Edimax and it is working fine.

Is that defensive enough for you.

I'm not sure what you mean, because it doesn't seem defensive to me. Unless you mean "I'm not happy with the routing, even as a VM staff member, so I'm using my own kit ". Even then, if you're doing the DMZ thing it's a stopgap solution that doesn't work too well for most people.

Chrysalis · 17-02-2011, 16:51

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Originally Posted by Masque

I have a Superhub and I am using my own Edimax BR6504N router, all I did was disable DHCP in the Edimax and it is working fine.

Is that defensive enough for you.

yes because you ignoring that other's have issues with it. Also you been generous in your own review as why are you even needing to use a 2nd router at home? it must mean the superhub isnt doing something you need it to do.

Peter_ · 17-02-2011, 16:57

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

yes because you ignoring that other's have issues with it. Also you been generous in your own review as why are you even needing to use a 2nd router at home? it must mean the superhub isnt doing something you need it to do.

I prefer my own router as I can have it centrally located on a long ethernet lead to increase my wifi coverage in my house and I can connect to either router if and when required.

I only received mine last Friday and wondered if I could still keep my router in its normal position and be able to use it after reading all the posts saying otherwise and happily it works in conjunction and gives me even more coverage in the house.

qasdfdsaq · 17-02-2011, 17:51

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Originally Posted by Masque

I have a Superhub and I am using my own Edimax BR6504N router, all I did was disable DHCP in the Edimax and it is working fine.

Is that defensive enough for you.

Except you're not actually using it as a router, and it's doing no routing. Please stop telling people you're using your own router when you are in fact using your own wireless access point/switch.

Peter_ · 17-02-2011, 17:58

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Except you're not actually using it as a router, and it's doing no routing. Please stop telling people you're using your own router when you are in fact using your own wireless access point/switch.

It does the job and it is my original router which people seem to think cannot be used so are awaiting bridge mode before continuing using their routers when they can do so now.

qasdfdsaq · 17-02-2011, 18:05

It is not functioning as a router, regardless of what was on the box when you bought it. Saying you're using your own router is misleading and incorrect. The job it's doing is not the job of a router. Calling it a router when it only works because you've modify it to not be a router is deliberately misleading.

People think they cannot use their own router as this is in fact correct. The people who have actually used their own router as a router have had limited success and a number of problems. All of them who have shared there experiences here think it remains broken and are still asking for bridge mode.

People including yourself have had success in using your own wireless access point and/or network switch, but this is not the same thing. There is a major difference between the hardware itself and what you're using it for. A router with the router switched off is not working a router.

It's like saying you can use a foreign driving license in the UK. Which is only true if you want to use it as photo ID, but you can't actually drive with it (permanently), which funny enough happens to be what a driving license is for... If you can't use your driving license as a driving license, it's misleading to say you can use your driving license. It's the same for your router. If you cannot use your own router as a router then you should stop implying you're having no problems using your own router.

Peter_ · 17-02-2011, 19:45

Well oddly enough I went back into the Edimax and reenabled DHCP and you know what it is working exactly the same as it was with DHCP disabled so I will leave it running like that for now.

qasdfdsaq · 17-02-2011, 19:48

Doesn't change the fact that you're still not using it as a router though.

DHCP isn't routing.

Peter_ · 17-02-2011, 19:52

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Doesn't change the fact that you're still not using it as a router though.

DHCP isn't routing.

It still works either way and I have 2 wireless networks as they use different names and passwords and they work.

qasdfdsaq · 17-02-2011, 20:51

The reason it's working is because you are still not using it as a router, so it is still misleading to say you're using your own router. It's only working because you are not using it as a router.

The wireless has nothing to do with routing.

If you were to use it as a router, it would work just not very well, and you'd lose half the benefits of using your own router to begin with.

Jon T · 17-02-2011, 21:03

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

People think they cannot use their own router as this is in fact correct. The people who have actually used their own router as a router have had limited success and a number of problems. All of them who have shared there experiences here think it remains broken and are still asking for bridge mode.

Then all my posts have been missed then. I'm using a Superhub with a Linksys 320N. The Superhub us set to a subnet of 192.168.0/24, Linksys LAN side set to 192.168.1.0/24 subnet, WAN interface of the linksys is 192.168.0.2, with this address set as the DMZ IP on the Superhub.

As i've posted before on the forum, everything works fine, all portforwarding is done on the Linksys, bittorrent, FTP/HTTP servers etc, it all just works. Granted my experience may be a one off, it does work for me. An inspection of the routing tables on the Linksys confirm this. Yes the superhub is doing some routing by re-writing ethernet frame source IP addresses etc, but the Linksys is most certainly performing NAT/Firewall functions.

qasdfdsaq · 17-02-2011, 21:21

Yes, certain functions do work, and basic connectivity works through the double NAT. However nothing you've mentioned actually requires the use of your own router, all these functions are things the Superhub could have done fine on it's own.

One major issue is the idle timeout on the Superhub (for e.g. SSH connections) - which will not be solved by using your own router. Other things the Superhub doesn't do well (e.g. UPNP) can be solved using your own router without bridge mode, but not everything.

Chrysalis · 17-02-2011, 21:39

yeah the superhub works if you dont tell it to route anything inbound :p, just respond to outgoing requests and its stable.

even double NAT bombs out on it after some days.

Peter_ · 18-02-2011, 05:28

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

The reason it's working is because you are still not using it as a router, so it is still misleading to say you're using your own router. It's only working because you are not using it as a router.

The wireless has nothing to do with routing.

If you were to use it as a router, it would work just not very well, and you'd lose half the benefits of using your own router to begin with.

I think you are forgetting the important point here being that anyone can still carry on using their own router regardless of it now being an access point, if you continue to say otherwise then posters reading that will still assume that it is not possible.

Advice on how to use your own router would be much better than trying to put down someone is is saying try using your own router if the are problems.

You seem to know your stuff so why not start a thread offering basic instructions and advice on using your own router which no doubt would be appreciated by many other people.

foddy · 18-02-2011, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Masque

I think you are forgetting the important point here being that anyone can still carry on using their own router regardless of it now being an access point, if you continue to say otherwise then posters reading that will still assume that it is not possible.

I think that's a little misleading. You're right that people might assume that their old router is useless, when it probably isn't, but if you don't clarify "use your own router", then people will assume that it can be used in the same way it always had. That's just as bad an assumption.

With VM, only one device can receive the external address allocated, and that device can't currently be your own router if you have a superhub. You can, however, daisy-chain the routers or possibly reduce the functionality of it to be a simple ethernet switch/wireless access point to complement the superhub.