Upstream Traffic Management Trial 1st of February - Page 5

pip08456 · 02-02-2011, 00:16

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Originally Posted by Nopanic

Fair enough ...

In theory the new management will resolve a lot of congestion, but the balance is will it affect customers paying for an unlimited, unrestricted service ?

I use torrents and although I don't pay for my service, I'd be royally fooked off if I cant use it ..

In theory the new management will do bugger all! Your bit torrent client is the one targeted by the management!

You work for them- you should know! BTW this doesn'r enamour you to anyone!

I don't pay for my service,

Now I know why you appear as [ADMIN EDIT]

Chrysalis · 02-02-2011, 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nopanic

Fair enough ...

In theory the new management will resolve a lot of congestion, but the balance is will it affect customers paying for an unlimited, unrestricted service ?

I use torrents and although I don't pay for my service, I'd be royally fooked off if I cant use it ..

Im not a fan of shaping and its a cheap way out for VM, the proper solution is for them to either stop selling unlimited and place hard limits or to spend some serious wad on upgrades. They dont look like doing neither any time soon so this may be the stop gap solution. Although this wont resolve it for me off peak as it will only be a peak time system. In some areas I think VM have seriously under provisioned and probably would need a 4-10 fold increase to catch up on capacity which is how this situation has came about. Also consider how severe the congestion can get, some people have packetloss of over 10% for over 10 hours a day, with that kind of packet loss you wont be doing much unlimited usage as hardly anything will work.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456

In theory the new management will do bugger all! Your bit torrent client is the one targeted by the management!

You work for them- you should know! BTW this doesn'r enamour you to anyone!

I don't pay for my service,

Now I know why you appear as [ADMIN EDIT]

very good points, from where he sits VM are saints, free broadband which up to this point has served him well on torrents. However without thinking how bad some people have got it on VM, people who do pay for their service.

Nopanic · 02-02-2011, 06:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456

In theory the new management will do bugger all! Your bit torrent client is the one targeted by the management!

You work for them- you should know! BTW this doesn'r enamour you to anyone!

I don't pay for my service,

Now I know why you appear as [ADMIN EDIT]

Like all staff, I am on the staff package and my monthly amount is pretty much 0, if anyone has an issue with that, they need to come and work for VM.. the theory behind the new management, be it amount or traffic shaping is to allow the people with a poor service to get a better service.

Like it or not. Insulting me, isn't going to change that.

As for the "I should know comments" they do make me smile, what I know and what I share will never be the same thing.

Sirius · 02-02-2011, 06:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nopanic

Like all staff, I am on the staff package and my monthly amount is pretty much 0, if anyone has an issue with that, they need to come and work for VM.. the theory behind the new management, be it amount or traffic shaping is to allow the people with a poor service to get a better service.

Like it or not. Insulting me, isn't going to change that.

As for the "I should know comments" they do make me smile, what I know and what I share will never be the same thing.

Insults are used when they have no intelligent answer to a post. Seems to be a common debating method for some.

Nopanic · 02-02-2011, 07:13

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Insults are used when they have no intelligent answer to a post. Seems to be a common debating method for some.

If I'm coming across as aggressive then by all means point this out to me as it is not my intention.

I reply tongue in cheek, which based on the PM's I get is often taken as it should be.

olisun · 02-02-2011, 07:21

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Originally Posted by Nopanic

the theory behind the new management, be it amount or traffic shaping is to allow the people with a poor service to get a better service.

Why do some people have poor service in the first place?

Is it the fault of the users who have better service and hence VM have decided to take some of it away with the hope of improving the service for the people who have a poor service ?

Nopanic · 02-02-2011, 07:26

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Originally Posted by olisun

Why do some people have poor service in the first place?

Is it the fault of the users who have better service and hence VM have decided to take some of it away with the hope of improving the service for the people who have a poor service ?

I'm a user first and VM staff second and in my opinion is VM should be able to give all customers the top speed and unlimited.

When I worked for faults I would make sure the customer either got the full service or got money back until they could. I agree it is unacceptable, BUT I do not make the decisions and do not get to see all of the data poles.

The network guys are trying out ways to give the customers with crappy service a better one and they are blaming those that batter the network ..

So as I said, whether we like it or not, if they decide to bring in shaping, inspection or management of any kind, we have to live with it or move on.

Matth · 02-02-2011, 21:13

It's unfair to cry foul about ADSL real versus claimed speeds, while indulging in "smoke and mirrors" over traffic management.

Tazz · 07-02-2011, 22:39

Its gone quiet on this front... I wonder if they will implement this on the network... I hope so

Chrysalis · 07-02-2011, 22:45

yeah no new news on this?

pip08456 · 07-02-2011, 23:49

I cannot see the point of it as the upstream congestion is caused by a lot of un-shaped uses as well but I can see them doing it.

Whatever they do with it, it will make no difference to me.

I just don't like them not being open and honest and agree with Igni. Put a limit per GB and be like the rest of the ISP's instead of hiding behind unlimited.

Tell P2P and newsgroup users they will be limited to XXGB per month/week/day or whatever.

Then put every other user on the same restriction.

jrhnewark · 08-02-2011, 00:46

If their network, in terms of upstream capacity, is anything near as bad as it used to be then I can see why they're doing this.

Does anyone know how customers are grouped nowadays?

It used to be that on a cabinet level, there was something like 36Mbps upstream split between customers.

Chrysalis · 08-02-2011, 00:58

as far as I know its less then that amount most of the time.

a port can either have (as far as I know, if I am wrong expect ignition to correct me) 4 x4.5mbit or 4x 9mbit on legacy (docsis), so 18mbit or 36mbit, it is not always 36mbit. In my area it is 18mbit, and it can even be a mix of 4.5 and 9mbit channels.
On overlay (docsis3) it will typically be a single 9mbit channel for non uplifted areas and 18mbit for uplifted areas, I think seph has even mentioned some overlay areas even only have 4.5mbit.

so basically a chance of 36mbit going to the cabinet if on legacy. Which is only 10mbit and older 20mbit users. I also think its multiple cabinets per node, so one cabinet wouldnt get that bandwidth to it self.

jrhnewark · 08-02-2011, 01:04

So - best situation - 36Mbps per node. Multiple cabinets per node. Hmm. And what's the maximum upstream that one user can have? (I actually don't know, and Virgin aren't exactly open on publishing these things on their website...)

Chrysalis · 08-02-2011, 01:08

the maximum is 10mbit if on the 100mbit tier, the 100mbit tier is in only very few areas at the moment.

Everywhere else.
If on a 18mbit docsis3 then generally the highest is 5mbit upload on 50mbit tier.
If on a 9mbit docsis3 the highest for one user will be 1.5mbit on the 50mbit tier.
Sometimes VM 'accidently' upgrade speeds and have people able to upload at 5mbit on a 9mbit upstream.