£1600 pw housing benefit!

Originally Posted by Will21st

thank you,we're finally getting somewhere....

He had a job,albeit low-paid.He quit the the job,expecting to receive benefits.

Had he looked for another,better paid job,or gotten a second job,he could have worked himself out of this situation.
I just can't imagine it being pleasant for him to ask for that money...

So I just don't understand how he can come here,and rant about those asylum seekers?Does he deserve the help when he is in that situation,having gotten into it the way he did?

yes he does ,he has contributed to the benefit system they haven't,
granted he was a bit naive but he is 19 and does deserve the help of his government
I would like to know if you have ever been in his position if you have then try offering some advice to him instead of pillorying him for daring to assume he may get a bit of support from a system he has paid into

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by AHN-David

Yes I deserve help. I don't see why not?

Like everyone my boss is also struggling for business. I dont 100% think I should get JSA but I think my boss should a have got some aid as he is only a small business and I was not the only one to leave.

That would a have been a better solution.

And yes sounds like a threat to me.

Nope,just wondering why you feel the need to call me stupid?

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Originally Posted by martyh

yes he does ,he has contributed to the benefit system they haven't,
granted he was a bit naive but he is 19 and does deserve the help of his government
I would like to know if you have ever been in his position if you have then try offering some advice to him instead of pillorying him for daring to assume he may get a bit of support from a system he has paid into

Sorry,no,I haven't.... I guess in Socialist Nu Labour Britain I should be ashamed for that...

also,I have offered him advice.... get multiple jobs to pay bills?

Ok,I'll stop it here as advised by Rob,otherwise I may end up having to defend myself for actually working and paying taxes...

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Ok,I'll stop it here as advised by Rob

Very wise.....can we get back to the topic at hand now please?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Neither deserves state help..... sorry,I am not saying that an english person shouldn't get help and immigrants should....neither deserves benefits,exceptin extreme circumstances,and if it wasn't their own fault?

As it is, David isn't entitled to help. but they class hardship as suffering, and the immigrants are suffering from not having a house with 4 bathrooms.

they don't seem to class all as the same. they seem to prioritise one against the other. and the other always seems to be the one who has a long history of being more British than the other.

[AHN-David]

I may end up having to defend myself for actually working and paying taxes...

Well I have had to defend why I left my job!

back to the post in hand.

I wonder for how long this £1600 a week has been paid to them. It says they came here in 1991 and lost there previous home. I wonder if they have ever worked.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by AHN-David

I wonder if they have ever worked.

Probably. when they were living in a little over crowded flat that was too small for them. but all they could afford from the wage they were earning.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by AHN-David

Well I have had to defend why I left my job!

back to the post in hand.

I wonder for how long this £1600 a week has been paid to them. It says they came here in 1991 and lost there previous home. I wonder if they have ever worked.

still bickering?

well,the £1600 have been paid for far too long....

Gary,no one should be favoured over the other,and this story is a disgrace,and a timely reminder that our benefits system needs urgent reform.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Gary,no one should be favoured over the other,and this story is a disgrace,and a timely reminder that our benefits system needs urgent reform.

Which I agree with. I remember when my father was amongst the few that worked amongst all the others that didn't.
he was worse off for it, and he knew it. but he carried on working to pay for all the things that the others got free for not working.

[AHN-David]

Can anyone tell me how long our benefits system has been put in place and if its been the same since it started?

Again I really don't understand how and why people can get in and get so much money with ease.

Also I did not think the council had stock housing worth that much

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by AHN-David

Again I really don't understand how and why people can get in and get so much money with ease.

There's actually people who's job it is to make sure that people get help financially for everything they need. you have to be unemployed to qualify.

if you get given a car to transport your family. you can sell it to the breakers for £40. he'll take advantage, and you can feel rich by suddenly not understanding English again

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by AHN-David

Can anyone tell me how long our benefits system has been put in place and if its been the same since it started?

Again I really don't understand how and why people can get in and get so much money with ease.

Also I did not think the council had stock housing worth that much

Somewhere I read that local estate agents think the rent being paid is twice the market value.... I think that happens a lot.As soon as the gov gets involved landlords get pound signs in their eyes and charge a nice premium rate!

At the end of the day they know that they will get the rent,after all the gov won't go bust or not pay up... or move away,for that matter !

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Originally Posted by Gary L

There's actually people who's job it is to make sure that people get help financially for everything they need. you have to be unemployed to qualify.

if you get given a car to transport your family. you can sell it to the breakers for £40. he'll take advantage, and you can feel rich by suddenly not understanding English again

Surely the telly,Hi-Fi and furniture wasn't paid by the government as well??

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Surely the telly,Hi-Fi and furniture wasn't paid by the government as well??

If you think about it, it must be.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/8832984

Local authorities claim from the Government the money they have to pay to rehouse people, and Westminster Council said it wants the system changed.

Housing cabinet member Philippa Roe said: "The amount of housing benefit is determined by government policy.

"We would like to see the entire system changed to enable local councils to have more control."

But they already have that control. It was the local authority's decision to put them into that property in the first place.

An incompetent council waisting money on an unnecessary home. Nothing new there.

Mind you, something tells me that they perhaps should have looked harder for a more appropriate home. Do you think they may have been trying to make a point, at the the expense of the taxpayer?

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Originally Posted by martyh

The reason why we haven't got the housing stock is because of gross mis-management of the funds available from central gov.I think it was back in 1998 or there abouts that the gov announced a pledge to bring all social housing upto a "decent homes" standard by 2010 (it was a election manifesto promise)but what ended up happening in a lot of areas is mass demolition and only a small percentage getting included in the decent homes scheme

Nonsense, it was the Thatcher government's decision to prevent local authorities from spending the receipts, from housing sales, to build more housing stock.

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Originally Posted by AHN-David

Nope I get nothing. I am begging left right and center to live. I called DWP today to get a review of my claim but they said its very doubted I will get anything. It's not my fault that the stupid goverment say as I am under 21 that I should be paid less than others. How am I suppose to live in £5 a hour.

I have also had a call by my housing officer saying that I will need to move out as I can't pay my rent. Now this is unfair. I may paint my self to see what happens and if I get treated differently.

I wonder why I pay tax. I have been working from the day I turned 16 to just a few months back.

Reason why I left my job:
Rent + council tax adds up to more than my wages

Reason why I dot get housing benefit or JSA:
I left a job that I would get my self in lots of debt with and was unable to pay rent.

How would you have fared if you were paid only four pounds an hour? As much as the minimum wage is not a lot for someone of your age (or any other age for that matter), at least there is actually a minimum wage.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

But they already have that control. It was the local authority's decision to put them into that property in the first place.

An incompetent council waisting money on an unnecessary home. Nothing new there.

Mind you, something tells me that they perhaps should have looked harder for a more appropriate home. Do you think they may have been trying to make a point, at the the expense of the taxpayer?

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Nonsense, it was the Thatcher government's decision to prevent local authorities from spending the receipts, from housing sales, to build more housing stock.

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How would you have fared if you were paid only four pounds an hour? As much as the minimum wage is not a lot for someone of your age (or any other age for that matter), at least there is actually a minimum wage.

It is that comment that is nonsense.

First of all, the council houses that were sold had families living in them. So the number of Council houses would go down by x houses, but the number of families that the Council were responsible for, would go down by the same number.

Secondly, no matter how many Council houses were built, this family would not be housed in any of them, because of the size and make-up(ages of children) of the family.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Gary L

The family that are living in that house would need a very good job to be able to afford the £400 a week rent for a house that suits their needs as a family.

The rent in question here is £1600 pw - that's £83,200 pa