Virgin to launch 2Mb Size S

[Milambar]

One is good business, the other is Dell Trotter. Where do you think virgin stands? Perhaps more importantly: is your name Rodney?

ROFL, sorry, harsh, but gods, I had to laugh.

[Peter_]

Its not bait it is a loss leader just like those special offers in the supermarket that draws you in, all businesses do it.

[smithzert]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

You know if you are not satisfied with what VM offers you can always move to another ISP..It will be less stressful in the long run..

Well you see, it is much like the government. If I change them for the other side what do I get? The same thing but under a diferrent name. When the choice is between nothing, mediocre, crud and twaddle, what do you pick?

Besides, I don't have a problem with virgin (despite appearances). All I have a problem with is people telling me X when I have Y right in front of me. It's even worse when the X I'm being told is from somebody that knows nothing about it (in this case my download speed).

Many people can ignore twaddle I know. Me, I like to pounch on it and worry it a bit.

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Originally Posted by Moldova

Its not bait it is a loss leader just like those special offers in the supermarket that draws you in, all businesses do it.

Yes I know. All MPs fiddle their expenses too. Does it make what MPs do right?

I still (barely) remember when you could do business with someone that had a face, and that someone would treat you nicely, decently, with respect even. But all that is gone now. All you get is "everyone does it so it is all right". Well, it is not all right. It sucks. Big time. I yearn for the guy that will say "you know, we messed up, sorry". You know?

[BenMcr]

So what it basically boils down to is you didn't read the offer in full when you took it out, and now that is gone up you feel hard done by?

[smithzert]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

So what it basically boils down to is you didn't read the offer in full when you took it out, and now that is gone up you feel hard done by?

You again? And you're still twaddling!

Tell me, do you even read what people write?

I don't feel hard done by. I never said I did. What I said is what you have written is twaddle. And it is. BIG twaddle. And you're still doing it. Except now you're doing the "I haven't really got anything sensible to say so I'll just thumb my nose at you" thing.

I have criticised virgin for charging their existing customers more than their new customers - particularly as the charge I am being asked to pay includes a 'loyalty' bonus. Nothing more, and definitely nothing less. I think that's fair don't you? Except you don't do you? Oh well, pooh.

I also criticised virgin for (a) lying in their "no line rental" advertising approach, which I said I'd post if you called me a liar again, so here it is: http://i44.tinypic.com/2qxt81y.jpg, and (b) hiding their small print in, well, tiny print, whilst toting their (not correct for the full year) monthly charge as £5 a month in LARGE print. That is here: http://allyours.virginmedia.com/webs...ervice.do?id=2. Why do you think they do this? That is a rhetorical question I guess. We all know why they do it: so that people will see it and go all googly eyed at the price then get all click happy and sign up without reading the tiny print. Now, if you are going to tell me that is not so I am going to cry. If you then tell me that you, in your wisdom, always read the tiny print I am going to laugh myself silly.

Narf.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by smithzert

I also criticised virgin for (a) lying in their "no line rental" advertising approach, which I said I'd post if you called me a liar again, so here it is: http://i44.tinypic.com/2qxt81y.jpg,
.

What you have circled is the Broadband only column which by virtue of being Cable does not require a phone line, the cost of which is £10 for the first 6 months increasing to £18 after that period.

It also says quite clearly in the next column that if you take a phone line that you will pay £4.50 for 12 months saving yourself £54 after which it will increase in price plus line rental of £11.

Do you expect them to give you an offer for a set period and when it finishes to just continue with that offer, not going to happen with any company.

[smithzert]

Originally Posted by Moldova

What you have circled is the Broadband only column which by virtue of being Cable does not require a phone line, the cost of which is £10 for the first 6 months increasing to £18 after that period.

Yes you are right. Wrong again. It was the argument over the breaking up of the fees into + this and - that which confused me. I am shamefaced.

Originally Posted by Moldova

Do you expect them to give you an offer for a set period and when it finishes to just continue with that offer, not going to happen with any company.

No I don't. I don't know how many times I've said that I don't today in this forum. I never did.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by smithzert

No I don't. I don't know how many times I've said that I don't today in this forum. I never did.

Ok I realise you are just annoyed by the way things are printed on the Virgin website.

Have you ever tried to make sense of the BT website, they make Virgins look as clear as a bell.

[smithzert]

Originally Posted by Moldova

Ok I realise you are just annoyed by the way things are printed on the Virgin website.

Have you ever tried to make sense of the BT website, they make Virgins look as clear as a bell.

I'm annoyed by the attempts (that work on 99% of the public) to hoodwink them into buying things they don't need and upgrading things that will add 0% to their usage thereof. I would like to see a price list that quotes the averaged out monthly price, per month, for the term of the contract. You know why they do it. We all do. We're not stupid people. But so many are. And they are the ones that get caught out. They are the ones that get hopelessly in debt because of it. They buy everything they see because they are told to. I would like to see an honest business with an honest approach. I would like to see it everywhere. I'm not senile (yet) - I know it will never happen. But I won't stop fighting against it nonetheless.

It may be a shock, but I like virgin. Compared to the other ISPs I've used they are say at 90% of what I want vs the 10% of the others. But they went down in my opinion by failing to offer me what I wanted at the first bite of the cherry. If I hadn't have argued I would have been paying £21 a month or whatever it was instead of the £14 I am now paying. It hurts this country and the people in it to be fed upon in this way by the multinational companies. They see it as normal and adopt it in their own life. Think eBay. Think weekend markets. Think of the greed that pervades our whole society, in TV, in films, in music, in books, in newspapers, in every form of media. I don't like it and I will continue to fight it until I die - even if it makes me look a complete fool.

Anyhoo, I'm outa here (or some other equally cool adios)...

Laters, dude.....