Nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient's recovery

[Xaccers]

So now you're saying it's petty to be offended by someone putting you in an awkward position by pushing their faith on you uninvited.
Lovely Russ.
As I said, thankfully there are many people out there who, while holding their own beliefs, don't get offended by others showing theirs, but there are a few, who don't seem capable of accepting that others don't share their belief that they are following the one true path, and react in a negative manner. They may express it in subtle ways, not being as caring, or they may be blatant and start insulting people because of their differing beliefs, calling them all sorts of names in an attempt to belittle them.
Put yourself in the patients' shoes for a moment.
Having had negative reactions from people of faith by declining attempts to be included in that faith, the person who I'd be relying on to look out for me then puts me in a situation where I have to decide how to answer that I'm not interested without risking a reduction in that care.
As a vulnerable elderly person, I'd rather not be put in that position thank you very much.
Had you not considered that?

Do you really consider it so unreasonable a request to have her keep her beliefs private?

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Are you really saying that people can only get offended if they actually want to be offended?
If a homosexual takes offence at being called a "poofta" then it's their own fault for deliberately getting offended?

Wouldn't normally speak for someone else, but I'm here and I've got the few seconds that it's going to take to compose the only honest reply I could possibly give to your post.

Having read, re-read, and then read again, Russ' post, at no time does he say that. What he appears to me to be saying is that there are certain people who seem to find offence at everything, and who seem to want to over analyse things (possibly even seeing things that aren't there). These people are (obviously) more easily offended, and offended by many (many) things that wouldn't offend more sensible (less reactionary, critical, seemingly hard done by) individuals.

Your example of a homosexual being called a 'poofta' is so far removed from the actual subject being discussed here that it's not even relevant, and therefore barely worthy of comment. Suffice to say though, common sense suggests that calling someone a 'poofta' is quite obviously designed to offend/insult and that the person being labelled as such would therefore have every right to complaint.

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Ah, Russ beat me to it

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Rob M

Having read, re-read, and then read again, Russ' post, at no time does he say that. What he appears to me to be saying is that there are certain people who seem to find offence at everything, and who seem to want to over analyse things (possibly even seeing things that aren't there). These people are (obviously) more easily offended, and offended by many (many) things that wouldn't offend more sensible (less reactionary, critical, seemingly hard done by) individuals.

Does that actually negate the offence they have felt?
If someone is sensitive to certain things, should they be ignored if they take offence?
"Oh it's ok, he's just sensitive, ignore him, it doesn't matter we've offended him"

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

So now you're saying it's petty to be offended by someone putting you in an awkward position by pushing their faith on you uninvited.
Lovely Russ.
As I said, thankfully there are many people out there who, while holding their own beliefs, don't get offended by others showing theirs, but there are a few, who don't seem capable of accepting that others don't share their belief that they are following the one true path, and react in a negative manner.
Put yourself in the patients' shoes for a moment.
Having had negative reactions from people of faith by declining attempts to be included in that faith, the person who I'd be relying on to look out for me then puts me in a situation where I have to decide how to answer that I'm not interested without risking a reduction in that care.
As a vulnerable elderly person, I'd rather not be put in that position thank you very much.
Had you not considered that?

Do you really consider it so unreasonable a request to have her keep her beliefs private?

(sigh)

No, she was not pushing her faith on anyone. By all accounts she's a good nurse who has always shown utmost care for her patients. Never has she put anyone's health at risk or made their condition worse. Nowhere has it been suggested that the patient was put in an awkward position. If she wasn't offended, and neither was the person she originally was reported for mentioning it to, see a pattern forming here?

If only it was as black-and-white as you wish it was hey?

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

So now you're saying it's petty to be offended by someone putting you in an awkward position by pushing their faith on you uninvited.

Wow, you really are reading a different set of posts to me.....

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Put yourself in the patients' shoes for a moment.

Would these be the slippers that she was wearing at the precise point that she wasn't offended by being asked if she wanted the nurse to pray for her, or the loafers that she slipped on shortly before the Trust decided to be offended on her behalf?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Having had negative reactions from people of faith by declining attempts to be included in that faith, the person who I'd be relying on to look out for me then puts me in a situation where I have to decide how to answer that I'm not interested without risking a reduction in that care.

I didn't see the report where anybody suggested she was providing lower standards of care to those that she wasn't allowed to pray for.

Any chance of a link?

back to the usual religious rhetoric either pro or con yet again. Everytime one of these threads are posted it turns into a religious arguement that just reminds me of a playground squabble. Honestly the only way not to become a bigot is to accept other peoples beliefs

[TheNorm]

What if a Satanist nurse offered a prayer for a patient. Would that be acceptable?

Just a thought.

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Does that actually negate the offence they have felt?

What offence? The lady in question never said she was offended.....

Originally Posted by Xaccers

If someone is sensitive to certain things, should they be ignored if they take offence?

No, but sometimes it's necessary to look beyond the intial hue and cry and decide whether these are the actions of someone who has been offended, or the actions of someone that has chosen to be offended.

Life isn't as straight forward as you seem to think it is. If you spend your whole time reacting to every person who claims to be a victim, and chasing after every person that's accused of causing offence, you'll quite often miss the quiet person sat in the corner that really needs your help.

It's all about dealing with reality, and allowing yourself the opportunity to discover the truth.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Rob M

Wow, you really are reading a different set of posts to me.....

Welcome to my world

Originally Posted by Rob M

Would these be the slippers that she was wearing at the precise point that she wasn't offended by being asked if she wanted the nurse to pray for her, or the loafers that she slipped on shortly before the Trust decided to be offended on her behalf?

Originally Posted by Rob M

I didn't see the report where anybody suggested she was providing lower standards of care to those that she wasn't allowed to pray for.

Any chance of a link?

You might be waiting a long time....

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

What if a Satanist nurse offered a prayer for a patient. Would that be acceptable?

Just a thought.

It's apparently not acceptable for any nurse to offer to pray for someone - I guess therefore that the answer to that question is no.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Rob M

Would these be the slippers that she was wearing at the precise point that she wasn't offended by being asked if she wanted the nurse to pray for her, or the loafers that she slipped on shortly before the Trust decided to be offended on her behalf?

If you were reading my posts, you'll have noticed I said "patients'" as in belonging to many.
The trust recieved the report from a patient because they were worried enough that any of the other patients could take offence at her pushing her beliefs on them.

Originally Posted by Rob M

I didn't see the report where anybody suggested she was providing lower standards of care to those that she wasn't allowed to pray for.

Any chance of a link?

Here

Originally Posted by Russ B

(sigh)

No, she was not pushing her faith on anyone.

Sorry Russ, perhaps you can show me where the patient who reported her to the trust actually invited her to pray for them?

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Originally Posted by Rob M

What offence? The lady in question never said she was offended.....

You weren't talking about her when you said:

Originally Posted by Rob M

Having read, re-read, and then read again, Russ' post, at no time does he say that. What he appears to me to be saying is that there are certain people who seem to find offence at everything, and who seem to want to over analyse things (possibly even seeing things that aren't there). These people are (obviously) more easily offended, and offended by many (many) things that wouldn't offend more sensible (less reactionary, critical, seemingly hard done by) individuals.

were you? Which is what I responded to.
Really, can you try and pay a little more attention please?

Originally Posted by Rob M

No, but sometimes it's necessary to look beyond the intial hue and cry and decide whether these are the actions of someone who has been offended, or the actions of someone that has chosen to be offended.

I'll ask again, if someone is offended, but you believe they've "chosen" to be offended, are they faking their feeling of offence or do they actually feel offended? Should you ignore their feelings simply because you believe they've chosen to feel that way?

Originally Posted by Rob M

Life isn't as straight forward as you seem to think it is. If you spend your whole time reacting to every person who claims to be a victim, and chasing after every person that's accused of causing offence, you'll quite often miss the quiet person sat in the corner that really needs your help.

Sounds like you're the one trying to portray things as striaght forward: Investigate offences/reduce the risk of offence = missing someone who really needs help. Nice little equation you've invented there Rob.

Originally Posted by Rob M

It's apparently not acceptable for any nurse to offer to pray for someone - I guess therefore that the answer to that question is no.

Indeed. If they truly believe in the power of prayer, then the target need not know they are in someone's prayers.

[SMG]

As with all religion, problems only flare up when its pushed on someone. Had this nurse simply got on with the job, there would be no problem. But she didn't. She brought her religion into her work.

If people kept their religions to them selfs, these problems wouldn't exist.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Rob M

It's apparently not acceptable for any nurse to offer to pray for someone - I guess therefore that the answer to that question is no.

So, guilty as charged. Next case!

[etccarmageddon]

I think the issue here is she was told not to do something as it was against policy but she decided to ignore the boss. so hard luck really she had her warning. obviously suspension is OTT but then perhaps we dont know the full story - she might be a right obnoxious cow who is forever not doing as told? or she might be an angel.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

she might be a right obnoxious cow who is forever not doing as told? Or she might be an angel.

lmao.