Bush And Kerry Admitting Skull and Bones Membership + Acting suspicious.

[dilli-theclaw]

The personal attacks on other members WILL STOP NOW

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[Nugget]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

lol @ you taking my sarcasm seriously n going into a paragraph about it. Get over yourself.

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the problem is when people dont want to listen ignorance makes it a theory.

Like i said i can proove everything i say. If you guys were actually adult enough you would look into my claims.

But then that would take an open mind wouldnt it?

No no, I'm completely open-minded; it's just that I'm not ignorant enough to take somebody elses poorly thought through theory as fact. Please provide me with some proper information that supports your claims, and I'll happily take them on-board.

However, the fact that you have so far refused to do so, based entirely on the fact that you think we're ignorant (oh, the irony), rather supports the fact that this nonsensical claim is actually the utter toot that we all believe it to be

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Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

Anyone half wise knows books is where the most truth is written and laid out.

Actually, it's fairly well accepted that books are (not 'is', thank you), where the author presents what they believe to be the truth, or where the author tries to persuade the reader that their beliefs are true - L Ron Hubbard and Scientology anyone?


Anyone? Oh well...

EDIT: Sorry dilli - I posted this before I saw your post. Please feel free to remove it if it's naughty

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

i mean even guys like benjamin franklin have quotes about whats going on in the world is the biggest conspiracy known to man so big they will find it hard impossible to believe.

you really have no clue how to do research, and dont try use my age against me when i can clearly see your age has not benefited your mentality + i own alot for my age and know alot more than the average. A fact which i need not proove to anyone.

I am not trying to use your age against you. You were the one who brought age into this.

i just have alot of knoweldge on these subjects n read alot so i thought i'd bring them to a forum which had an older age range of people on here.

and

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

The older generation should be ashamed of there ability not to look into things n just using the medias opinion.

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

The problem is most you older guys your answer to everything is get the government to lock people up which is what makes you clueless about how the world works.

So don't try and play the age victimization card when your the one who brought it up. Also, I do not know your age, I am also young. You seem to have come on here and label everyone stupid or buying into properganda if they don't share your views.

and no because the difference with books is they have bibliographies which are information sourced from thousands of places, people with a brain if they want the truth look deeper into the words spoke within the books which is exactly what i do.

And again, I do know how to do research. No need to be insulting. Having a bibliography is not what's important. The information sourced is, so you could have 1000's of pages of bibliographies if the information they sourced was either incredible or used out of context (something 9/11 people do a lot of, such as forgetting to mention WTC 7 was on fire for hours) then it means nothing.

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and what lies were these? go into detail if your gonna call something a lie....

Ok he says:

"Tony Blair's Labour Party were heading to certain defeat in the General Election, then the bombings happened. Suddenly he was elected back in." Suggesting it was a scare mongering attempt to win a election

That is a lie. The bombings happened two months after the election. The election was on the 5th May 2005, and Bombings 7th July 2005.

Now, I may not have read all these books and obviously am quite dumb for a 21 year old. But does that not strike you as a lie designed to trick people into believing your story?

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Anyone half wise knows books is where the most truth is written and laid out.

No, Most people know not to believe everything they read. Why are newspapers likely to all be lying (and they often do) but publishing houses are exempt from all corruption? If there is a global conspiracy, how come book publishers are the only ones not in on it?

[BBKing]

There's one touchstone I always use on 9/11 conspiracies, which is to work out whether the writer knows how aircraft are built and behave in crashes. If they don't, which is most of the conspiracy theorists, I bin them.

I was at university with Mohammed Atta. Not sure if I mentioned it before. Strangely enough he wasn't down the student bar a lot.

Originally Posted by BBKing

There's one touchstone I always use on 9/11 conspiracies, which is to work out whether the writer knows how aircraft are built and behave in crashes. If they don't, which is most of the conspiracy theorists, I bin them.

I was at university with Mohammed Atta. Not sure if I mentioned it before. Strangely enough he wasn't down the student bar a lot.

Sure you were BBKing, we all know he didn't exist.

A lot of the writers of these conspiracies also seem to think they know more about engineering than engineers. Such as the collapse of the two towers.

[lostandconfused]

Actually what the OP has posted is all true, I have credible evidance that supports all of his claim, although he hasnt gone far enough. Infact the bush administration has found a way of waking the dead and is taking advise from winston churchill. Ofcourse i couldnt possibly share this proof with you all as none of you is cleaver nuff to unerstand it like.

Right o i have a foil hat with my name all over it. Im outta here!

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by lostandconfused

Actually what the OP has posted is all true, I have credible evidance that supports all of his claim, although he hasnt gone far enough. Infact the bush administration has found a way of waking the dead and is taking advise from winston churchill. Ofcourse i couldnt possibly share this proof with you all as none of you is cleaver nuff to unerstand it like.

Right o i have a foil hat with my name all over it. Im outta here!

pshaw - George Romero discovered that secret 40 years ago

Anyway, your foil hat won't save you - I've seen Signs. I've just stocked upon water, so I'll be alright!

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by Nugget

No no, I'm completely open-minded; it's just that I'm not ignorant enough to take somebody elses poorly thought through theory as fact. Please provide me with some proper information that supports your claims, and I'll happily take them on-board.

However, the fact that you have so far refused to do so, based entirely on the fact that you think we're ignorant (oh, the irony), rather supports the fact that this nonsensical claim is actually the utter toot that we all believe it to be

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Actually, it's fairly well accepted that books are (not 'is', thank you), where the author presents what they believe to be the truth, or where the author tries to persuade the reader that their beliefs are true - L Ron Hubbard and Scientology anyone?


Anyone? Oh well...

EDIT: Sorry dilli - I posted this before I saw your post. Please feel free to remove it if it's naughty

with the people who back what i say, i need not proove myself to anyone. Its not my birden if you wish to remain ignorant to the going ons in the world. I will post evidence in topic forms over a period of time but im in no rush to show an ignorant person anything. Like i said an open mind will look into things. If you understand who backed this understanding of the way things work you would certain take a much closer look. Literally some of the most famous people in the world. Guys like Einstien, Newton, H.G. Wells, George Orwell (eric blair), Michael Meacher, Benjamin Franklin, Hitler just to name a few.

and the rest of what you said is air pie.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I am not trying to use your age against you. You were the one who brought age into this.

and






So don't try and play the age victimization card when your the one who brought it up. Also, I do not know your age, I am also young. You seem to have come on here and label everyone stupid or buying into properganda if they don't share your views.

And again, I do know how to do research. No need to be insulting. Having a bibliography is not what's important. The information sourced is, so you could have 1000's of pages of bibliographies if the information they sourced was either incredible or used out of context (something 9/11 people do a lot of, such as forgetting to mention WTC 7 was on fire for hours) then it means nothing.

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Ok he says:

"Tony Blair's Labour Party were heading to certain defeat in the General Election, then the bombings happened. Suddenly he was elected back in." Suggesting it was a scare mongering attempt to win a election

That is a lie. The bombings happened two months after the election. The election was on the 5th May 2005, and Bombings 7th July 2005.

Now, I may not have read all these books and obviously am quite dumb for a 21 year old. But does that not strike you as a lie designed to trick people into believing your story?

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No, Most people know not to believe everything they read. Why are newspapers likely to all be lying (and they often do) but publishing houses are exempt from all corruption? If there is a global conspiracy, how come book publishers are the only ones not in on it?

lol i give up on you, if you cannot research to seperate truth from fiction i suggest you do what schools educated to do so, n just listen n Revise.

Thats the only real education most people have had.

I have read hundreds of books on masses of different topics from how industries work to spiritualism and ancient civilisations. The point is what you think you know about what i know is based on pure assumptions and newspapers are little more than whores that feed information they are told to tell you. Its all from the reuters and its all manipulated just like many of peoples twisted opinions on here. Real life is real life ive seen enough corruption in business alone to know whats real and what isnt.

Quoting david icke who only ever speaks truth but gets judged by idiots who watch to much tv n dont give the brainwashing "revising" a rest.

"People who believe that there is no major world conspiracy which involves a small number of people manipulating humanity through a hierarchical structure of control toward a New World Order, all have one identical factor in common.

They have, in actual fact, not looked genuinely into the abundance of well-researched information on world conspiracy to see if there is one!" - David icke.

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Originally Posted by Nugget

pshaw - George Romero discovered that secret 40 years ago

Anyway, your foil hat won't save you - I've seen Signs. I've just stocked upon water, so I'll be alright!

maybe if you saw daylight you might realise its clear were not the only race in the universe. Theres more to this life experience than those rigid walls.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Sure you were BBKing, we all know he didn't exist.

A lot of the writers of these conspiracies also seem to think they know more about engineering than engineers. Such as the collapse of the two towers.

80% of engineers have said it was a controlled demolition look into it.

You seem to think just because popular mechanics a company hired by them done it its gonna be fair?

come on they might aswell be feeding you candy to shut you up.

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Originally Posted by lostandconfused

Actually what the OP has posted is all true, I have credible evidance that supports all of his claim, although he hasnt gone far enough. Infact the bush administration has found a way of waking the dead and is taking advise from winston churchill. Ofcourse i couldnt possibly share this proof with you all as none of you is cleaver nuff to unerstand it like.

Right o i have a foil hat with my name all over it. Im outta here!

lol jeez.

your in for a shock.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

with the people who back what i say, i need not proove myself to anyone. Its not my birden if you wish to remain ignorant to the going ons in the world. I will post evidence in topic forms over a period of time but im in no rush to show an ignorant person anything. Like i said an open mind will look into things. If you understand who backed this understanding of the way things work you would certain take a much closer look. Literally some of the most famous people in the world. Guys like Einstien, Newton, H.G. Wells, George Orwell (eric blair), Michael Meacher, Benjamin Franklin, Hitler just to name a few.

and the rest of what you said is air pie.

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lol i give up on you, if you cannot research to seperate truth from fiction i suggest you do what schools educated to do so, n just listen n Revise.

Thats the only real education most people have had.

I have read hundreds of books on masses of different topics from how industries work to spiritualism and ancient civilisations. The point is what you think you know about what i know is based on pure assumptions and newspapers are little more than whores that feed information they are told to tell you. Its all from the reuters and its all manipulated just like many of peoples twisted opinions on here. Real life is real life ive seen enough corruption in business alone to know whats real and what isnt.

Quoting david icke who only ever speaks truth but gets judged by idiots who watch to much tv n dont give the brainwashing "revising" a rest.

"People who believe that there is no major world conspiracy which involves a small number of people manipulating humanity through a hierarchical structure of control toward a New World Order, all have one identical factor in common.

They have, in actual fact, not looked genuinely into the abundance of well-researched information on world conspiracy to see if there is one!" - David icke.

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maybe if you saw daylight you might realise its clear were not the only race in the universe. Theres more to this life experience than those rigid walls.

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80% of engineers have said it was a controlled demolition look into it.

You seem to think just because popular mechanics a company hired by them done it its gonna be fair?

come on they might aswell be feeding you candy to shut you up.

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lol jeez.

your in for a shock.

You willing to make a list of all the egineers in the world and prove 80% agree it was a controlled demolition, no? Thought not. Anyway, they are engineers, you would be talking to the wrong people if you are talking about a controlled demolition.

What do you think crashed into the pentagon? I mean a missile cant bounce of 3 lamposts, hit something else, then stay on course to hit the pentagon and then leave wreckage of the plane they where pretending it had hit.

WTC7, was on fire for hours, http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11images/fig3.jpg, dont you think the fires would of set off the explosives used to bring down WTC7.

Do you know how long it takes to rig up a building for a controlled demolition and how many people it takes? You think this was done in two of the largest buildings in the world and another big building, without anyone seeing?

Silverstone says "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." Meaning pull the firemen out of the recue operation. Why would you risk saying it to billions of people and blowing your whole cover. Same with Bush and the whole seen the first plane hit. Same as the BBC and saying it had collapsed before it had, what thats meant to prove though im not quite sure.

How many do you think would have to be in on this conspiracy? So far we have parts of the American Goverment, The BBC, the faked phone calls from the planes, which means the familys myust be in on it to, Larry Silverstone and the billions of people he has told it was actually a demolition (which he doesnt of course) some people in the military who fired the missile into the pentagon (where did that missile come from) all the eye witnesses who had seen a missile type thing,, oh Ill shut up, I think everyone reading this apart from you gets my drift.

Before doing research wether it be for either side, think logically first.

[THESHAOLIN1]

Originally Posted by shawty

You willing to make a list of all the egineers in the world and prove 80% agree it was a controlled demolition, no? Thought not. Anyway, they are engineers, you would be talking to the wrong people if you are talking about a controlled demolition.

What do you think crashed into the pentagon? I mean a missile cant bounce of 3 lamposts, hit something else, then stay on course to hit the pentagon and then leave wreckage of the plane they where pretending it had hit.

WTC7, was on fire for hours, http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11images/fig3.jpg, dont you think the fires would of set off the explosives used to bring down WTC7.

Do you know how long it takes to rig up a building for a controlled demolition and how many people it takes? You think this was done in two of the largest buildings in the world and another big building, without anyone seeing?

Silverstone says "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." Meaning pull the firemen out of the recue operation. Why would you risk saying it to billions of people and blowing your whole cover. Same with Bush and the whole seen the first plane hit. Same as the BBC and saying it had collapsed before it had, what thats meant to prove though im not quite sure.

How many do you think would have to be in on this conspiracy? So far we have parts of the American Goverment, The BBC, the faked phone calls from the planes, which means the familys myust be in on it to, Larry Silverstone and the billions of people he has told it was actually a demolition (which he doesnt of course) some people in the military who fired the missile into the pentagon (where did that missile come from) all the eye witnesses who had seen a missile type thing,, oh Ill shut up, I think everyone reading this apart from you gets my drift.

Before doing research wether it be for either side, think logically first.

LOL @ meaning to pull the firemen out the building i watched the program on bbc you scapegoater, they physically were talking about world trade centre 7 at the time. Its a prooven fact you think people would use that as evidence if it was referring to the firemen you really are insane.

People underestimate how well this is thought out.

And as for how many would be involved in the conspiracy as far as that goes most people wont even be aware of what there doing besides intelligence agencies whose job it is to do that and has been for years anyway as EX CIA and MI5 and MI6 have clearly shown us in there revelations.

+ the amount of papers n past evidence showing the CIA n other intelligence agencies are involved in mass drug trafficking.

a plane hit the pentagon obviously, but a missile hit it aswell as is apparent or it was blew up via an explosive device, and notice the area that was blown up was the a navy sector this was because theres an internal intelligence agency war between intelligence agencies with certain members joining together wanting to expose the truth.

and before 9/11 there was a drill in which the building was searched for bombs by a bomb squad this is well known and mentioned alot publically this, they could easily of planted explosives in the building that is not a factor especially with this revelation of people removed from the building in advance.

lol and saying it collapsed before it even had shows they were told to report it before it had even happened meaning the reuters knew about it in advance which is a big indication to the fact it was an inside job and planned and blueprinted. A perfectly carried out event which has led to the war on iraq and the ever going war on terrorism which is a farce to bring in the new world order and as years have gone by ive known this and seen it come true so i certainly know whose living in fantasies when people tell me "your delusional".

and by the way most the people dont even know what there doing that reporter would of just reported it she has no idea she reported it before the incident took place. If she got showed she might ask questions but you couldnt put the link together so i doubt she would.

It works through the employment control system you know on a need to know basis on what your doing, if your jobs that high you find out about the secrets behind 9/11 your gonna be in the position to keep it under wraps. Such as The CIA, politicians n alike people who are freemasons n have all pledged they will protect there brother freemasons no matter what and carried out initiations which involve placing your hand on a skull n pledging your soul to lucifer.

and world trade centre 7 if you seriously think it was brought down by a fire. You are living in disney land florida im deadly serious i can tell thats a controlled demolition a mile off, the fact you've got larry admitting it prooves my point exactly, you've just attempted to take his words out of context to fit your reality.

hitler done the same in his country to trigger a war, its politics mate and ill show you the hardcore proof as time goes on on this forum i suggest you read like i say alice in wonderland and the world trade centres by david icke its pretty undeniable to see you've been fed a pure n utter movie smoke screen reality of what took place n why it took place.

I mean your trying to make out its more logical a guy in a cave commited this sitting there with his ak47's and invaded one of the most secure nations on the planet when its prooven the air control in america is tight as hell, let alone crashing into the pentagon, thats all intentional and its so obvious.

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Originally Posted by BBKing

There's one touchstone I always use on 9/11 conspiracies, which is to work out whether the writer knows how aircraft are built and behave in crashes. If they don't, which is most of the conspiracy theorists, I bin them.

I was at university with Mohammed Atta. Not sure if I mentioned it before. Strangely enough he wasn't down the student bar a lot.

that sounds like real great logic.

dismiss absulotely everything which is a hell of a alot of inconsistencies with the official 9/11 story if people dont understand how aircrafts are built.

[lostandconfused]

Why do you keep saying you will reveal the evidence in time on the forum?

Is it because you dont actually have any and are in the process of making it, or desperatly trawling through websites looking for anything that could or hints that your theories are correct?

This isnt a film where you can reveal information as the plot thickens to keep the viewers interested.

If your so sure why not show this evidence now?

You say if it were true it would be on a need to know basis. If it were true this would be correct, but the amount of explosives needed to bring down the two builings would be quite a lot, there would be wires running every where and there would be quite a few people needed to plant them. So at the time of planting (assuming it was done at night) they may have been told the building would be empty etc. But as soon as it was brought down i think its reasonable that at least one of them would have put 2 and 2 together and realised that its a bit of a coincidence that they were planning on bringing it down the same day as two planes flew into it. Now one of those people would have gone to the media and it would have been reported. It hasn't. Before you use the old the governenment told the media not to report it, there is always the internet which is much harder to control.

Also had this been true, if you went to your office one day and found hundreds of wires trailed all over the place would you be suspicious? I would and would probably leave in a hurry.

You LOL at other people's comments yet make ridiculous claims, such as 80% of engineers would agree it was a demolition. Have you polled every engineer in the world? Or even a sample of engineers? Or is it that you have had a chat with someone in the pub who's uncle had a neighbour who's friend was an engineer and he said it was a demolition?

I am truely surprised that this thread has gone on for so long, i think its because it is entertaining, not because you have persuaded anyone, but because you have made so many outlandish statements, none of them backed up by hard-facts that it is comical.

I have also read lots of books, doesnt mean i am more intelligant than anyone else, it means that i can reference other peoples views on specific subjects. You can have two books that will totally contradict each other. The intelligant bit is working out which sources are more reliable (could be a bit from both) and form your own opinion. From what i have read so far, all you have done is repeat what you have read from your 'books'.

As a final point, if the US and UK government had planned this, and put so much effort into, managed to cover it up so well for so long, do you really think they would allow someone like you to expose them? The fact that you havent been shipped off to gunatanamo for questioning says a lot IMO, although i have heard that electric shock therapy can help for certain syndromes.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

with the people who back what i say, i need not proove myself to anyone. Its not my birden if you wish to remain ignorant to the going ons in the world. I will post evidence in topic forms over a period of time but im in no rush to show an ignorant person anything. Like i said an open mind will look into things. If you understand who backed this understanding of the way things work you would certain take a much closer look. Literally some of the most famous people in the world. Guys like Einstien, Newton, H.G. Wells, George Orwell (eric blair), Michael Meacher, Benjamin Franklin, Hitler just to name a few.

and the rest of what you said is air pie.

So who are the people who back what you say? More conspiracy theorists who refuse to provide their evidence because a) they haven't got any, and b) they're too busy trying not to slip off the edge of the world, perhaps?

I think you'll find that, if you wish to spread this rumous and scuttlebut, it is your burden (with a 'u' by the way) to provide proof - you can't expect the thinking population to just blindly accept your wild fiction The very fact that you're not willing to post your 'evidence' now rather suggests that you haven't got any. Oh, and stating that people are ignorant purely because they don't agree with you pretty much says more about you than it does the rest of us.


As for your list of people who 'backed this understanding'? Hmmm, I'd be more inclined to look into it if you hadn't included Hitler - let's face it, the man who was ultimately responsible for the death of 6 million Jews (plus everyone who died the war) is obviously a reputable source

[mrobto2000]

Originally Posted by Damien

No, Only the dumb ones do.

Hello,I can see Damien has the perfect answer,I couldn't come out with
somethig better.
mrobto2000

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

that sounds like real great logic.

dismiss absulotely everything which is a hell of a alot of inconsistencies with the official 9/11 story if people dont understand how aircrafts are built.

Actually: Assuming BBKing knows how planes actually behave when crashing, it is great logic.

BTW, I don't usually pick on people's spelling, but people who read a lot of books normally learn to spell (as much by accident as anything).

lol i give up on you, if you cannot research to seperate truth from fiction i suggest you do what schools educated to do so, n just listen n Revise.

So you give up on me and avoid the question? I point out another lie in the 9/11 truth movement and like all 'truthers' you avoid it?

You are not talking to a bunch of idiots, we do read, we do not believe everything we are told but simply because we do not believe your story to patronise and insult everyone on here. Answer the questions and debate properly or don't bother trying at all. Your just undermining yourself by trying to portray yourself as the only smart person on here.