BT to offer 100Mbit broadband

Originally Posted by AdamD

Kinda wish I lived in Sweden with my uncle, to be honest
10/10 is free, 100/100 internet is only about 40 euros over there. (gahhh)

Same with france 100/100 35euros/month.

or 50/50 or 100/5 dependant on which isp you choose.

[m419]

Originally Posted by TraxData

LOL...i cant really tell if your post is sarcasm or not but that's not how it's put down.

Well the water companies are not going to do it for nothing! I mean Thames Water which covers much of Berkshire and London needs to replace all the victorian sewers by a fixed date, so they will be wanting some money for that, otherwise profits are gonna be falling.

And because Virgin Media has already got a customer base and because of the fact that its already fibre optic and that it covers more than half of UK homes means that by the time H20 complete roll-out, Virgin Media would have completed its upgrades and maybe even expansion of the network and by that time Virgin Media will be offering Cable broadband half the price of what H20 would be offering.

Also, some people jut dont care how fast there internet is, many people just use the net for email,facebook ect.... which means 1MB is suitable and some people would even put up with 128K!

And one last thing how much money do you think other companies have? firms like France Telecom,Cable and Wireless and Thus would through a lot of money into if they all merged up.

I think all the companies which have been using BT's network for piggybacking should chip in too and get BT's network upgraded, that includes BT chipping in too.

So far we have:

Tiscali
Cable and Wireless
Virgin Media
Thus' Demon internet
France Telecom-Orange PCS
Sky
Opal Telecom(TalkTalk/CPW/AOL)
Telefonica-O2
Verizon
Colt

And loads more using BT's network.

Many different companies have tried using techniques to get the internet moving but are really no good enough.

Cable and Wireless is the largest LLU provider and supplies very few abandoned residential users who never paid there bills to Bulldog before it was sold off. But many C&W LLU is used by other providers such as Virgin,Tiscali,The Post Office and Tesco Broadband and maybe O2???? Not too sure about O2, however C&W provides O2's Mobile internet to O2 customers. The maximum speed through this between 16MB and 20MB although Tiscali finds it hard to put an extra 50p in the meter and upgrade its customers to 16MB.

Originally Posted by m419

Well the water companies are not going to do it for nothing! I mean Thames Water which covers much of Berkshire and London needs to replace all the victorian sewers by a fixed date, so they will be wanting some money for that, otherwise profits are gonna be falling.

And because Virgin Media has already got a customer base and because of the fact that its already fibre optic and that it covers more than half of UK homes means that by the time H20 complete roll-out, Virgin Media would have completed its upgrades and maybe even expansion of the network and by that time Virgin Media will be offering Cable broadband half the price of what H20 would be offering.

Also, some people jut dont care how fast there internet is, many people just use the net for email,facebook ect.... which means 1MB is suitable and some people would even put up with 128K!

And one last thing how much money do you think other companies have? firms like France Telecom,Cable and Wireless and Thus would through a lot of money into if they all merged up.

I think all the companies which have been using BT's network for piggybacking should chip in too and get BT's network upgraded, that includes BT chipping in too.

So far we have:

Tiscali
Cable and Wireless
Virgin Media
Thus' Demon internet
France Telecom-Orange PCS
Sky
Opal Telecom(TalkTalk/CPW/AOL)
Telefonica-O2
Verizon
Colt

And loads more using BT's network.

Many different companies have tried using techniques to get the internet moving but are really no good enough.

Cable and Wireless is the largest LLU provider and supplies very few abandoned residential users who never paid there bills to Bulldog before it was sold off. But many C&W LLU is used by other providers such as Virgin,Tiscali,The Post Office and Tesco Broadband and maybe O2???? Not too sure about O2, however C&W provides O2's Mobile internet to O2 customers. The maximum speed through this between 16MB and 20MB although Tiscali finds it hard to put an extra 50p in the meter and upgrade its customers to 16MB.

VirginMedia is only fibre optic upto a local exchange point, its COAX to you after that, so no they are not exactly fibre optic, BT is fibre optic then copper to you, the only difference is VM distance is alot shorter and thus faster speeds.

Err, you do realise with H2o a full city rollout would only take 6 months, right?

2-3 Years could see the whole of the UK done and with faster speeds than what VM would ever be able to offer.

Most customers dont care what speeds they recieve? your seriously wrong there...and IPTV is on its way, we need fast speeds.

BT will be rolling fiber out at a cost of £15b, you can thank offcom that other companies using BT's network wont have to chip in.

Just remember BT have been down this route before and it was blair who said no to digging up all the roads ready for fibre, then again in the late 90s but BT decided against because they would be forced to open it up, yet again, funny how VM have a fully monopoly yet dont have to open their network up though

There is ALOT of things going off behind the scenes right now, and if they go to plan, VM will best left WAY WAY WAY behind unless they buck their idea's up.

Alas, H2o is not a trial to see if the fibre rollout will work, its more to prove to local councils and the govt that it works.

[Richy99]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Just remember BT have been down this route before and it was blair who said no to digging up all the roads ready for fibre, then again in the late 90s but BT decided against because they would be forced to open it up, yet again, funny how VM have a fully monopoly yet dont have to open their network up though

isnt that because BT's network was done with public money and the VM network was all private?

[m419]

Well kind of. Cable and Wireless used to be publicly owned too, between 1940's and 1982, Cable and Wireless was goverment owned.

The goverment in 1980's and 90's didn't expect so much competition, they expected as this:

Greater London 1996:

Telecoms:
BT
Cable London
Videotron
Mercury Communications
Telewest Communications
Cable Corp
Colt
Energis
Worldcom
IPM Communications(Interphone payphones)
New World Payphones
UK Cellnet
Vodafone/Vodac
Mercury Personal Communications
Hutchison Telecoms(Orange)


Utilities:
London Electricity
British Gas(Now National Grid Gas, it was publicly owned till 1997)
Eastern Electricity(Now EDF) Serving North of Middlesex
Thames Water
Three Valleys Water

And Greater London in 2008:

Telecoms:
BT
Virgin Media/NTL Telewest Business
Cable and Wireless(Mercury&Energis)
Thus/Your Communications
Colt
Verizon(Formerly Worldcom)
Infolines Public Networks(Was IPM Comms)
Opal Telecom/Carphone/TalkTalk
Spacetel
Fibreway
Spectrum Interactive(New World Payphones)
T-Mobile UK
Vodafone UK
Orange Personal Communications
Hutchison 3G UK
O2 UK
And lots more............

Utilities:
Thames Water
EDF Energy(Electricity)
National Grid Gas(Transco)
Three Valleys Water

And Greater London in 1993:

Telecoms:
BT
Mercury Communications
Mercury Personal Communications
Mercury Communications Payphones(IPM now Infolines)
Vodafone/Vodac
UK Cellnet
Cable London (Now Virgin Media/Telewest)
Videotron (Now Virgin Media/NTL)
Colt
Rabbit

Utilities:
Thames Water
British Gas
Three Valleys water
London Electricity
Eastern Electricity

So you see how it changes, its mostly the same companies around and some appear and disappear soon after because they have been gobbled up by a rival. This could be the case with H20.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by m419

Well the water companies are not going to do it for nothing! I mean Thames Water which covers much of Berkshire and London needs to replace all the victorian sewers by a fixed date, so they will be wanting some money for that, otherwise profits are gonna be falling.

And because Virgin Media has already got a customer base and because of the fact that its already fibre optic and that it covers more than half of UK homes means that by the time H20 complete roll-out, Virgin Media would have completed its upgrades and maybe even expansion of the network and by that time Virgin Media will be offering Cable broadband half the price of what H20 would be offering.

Also, some people jut dont care how fast there internet is, many people just use the net for email,facebook ect.... which means 1MB is suitable and some people would even put up with 128K!

And one last thing how much money do you think other companies have? firms like France Telecom,Cable and Wireless and Thus would through a lot of money into if they all merged up.

I think all the companies which have been using BT's network for piggybacking should chip in too and get BT's network upgraded, that includes BT chipping in too.

So far we have:

Tiscali
Cable and Wireless
Virgin Media
Thus' Demon internet
France Telecom-Orange PCS
Sky
Opal Telecom(TalkTalk/CPW/AOL)
Telefonica-O2
Verizon
Colt

And loads more using BT's network.

Many different companies have tried using techniques to get the internet moving but are really no good enough.

Cable and Wireless is the largest LLU provider and supplies very few abandoned residential users who never paid there bills to Bulldog before it was sold off. But many C&W LLU is used by other providers such as Virgin,Tiscali,The Post Office and Tesco Broadband and maybe O2???? Not too sure about O2, however C&W provides O2's Mobile internet to O2 customers. The maximum speed through this between 16MB and 20MB although Tiscali finds it hard to put an extra 50p in the meter and upgrade its customers to 16MB.

That may be but if they all chipped in, then BT wont be quids in long term as they all be shared ownership and would not be paying rental fees to BT plus BT will be having to share revenues with them. As far as the sewers goes even with rentals been paid its a far cheaper deployment option that digging up roads.

[m419]

Yeah its cheaper and less disruptive that way. Also, wouldn't the councils start charging business rates to H20? I know that Virgin Media do for properties like council blocks ect....

Originally Posted by m419

Yeah its cheaper and less disruptive that way. Also, wouldn't the councils start charging business rates to H20? I know that Virgin Media do for properties like council blocks ect....

No, they wouldnt and havent.

Anyway i'm really rooting for H2o, the guy who owns it is a great person, he understands how the net needs to progress, understands we need high upload speeds, no stm crap (seriously, you really dont need it with those speeds, even people who do 3-4tera/month will run out of stuff to download and upload at those speeds)

freeing up bandwith for everyone else

Oh...prices are good, that's all im gonna say

[dragon]

Originally Posted by m419

But many C&W LLU is used by other providers such as Virgin,Tiscali,The Post Office and Tesco Broadband and maybe O2???? Not too sure about O2, however C&W provides O2's Mobile internet to O2 customers. The maximum speed through this between 16MB and 20MB although Tiscali finds it hard to put an extra 50p in the meter and upgrade its customers to 16MB.

O2 own Bethere (Be*) who have their own LLU equipment and backhaul.

[AdamD]

If BT ever did decide to bring FTH to the UK, I think we all agree, we'd still get the same usage restrictions, caps, bandwith throttling and rubbish upload speeds.
So why bother? heh

Originally Posted by AdamD

If BT ever did decide to bring FTH to the UK, I think we all agree, we'd still get the same usage restrictions, caps, bandwith throttling and rubbish upload speeds.
So why bother? heh

No throttling, its simply not needed with FTTH.

True about upload speed though.

But that's why we need H2o 100mbit symetrical

[dragon]

Originally Posted by TraxData

No throttling, its simply not needed with FTTH.

True about upload speed though.

But that's why we need H2o 100mbit symetrical

Depends on the amount of backhaul.

The throttling isn't becuase of the bandwidth between you and the exchange, thats yours it's from the exchange back and the ISP centrals that get the congestion.

Originally Posted by dragon

Depends on the amount of backhaul.

The throttling isn't becuase of the bandwidth between you and the exchange, thats yours it's from the exchange back and the ISP centrals that get the congestion.

The reason VM have throttling is oversubscription and the fact they are still on 10Gbit link ups.

They are only just moving to 40gbit which still isnt enough.

H2o use multiple 100Gbit links afaik.

From what i recall they are using roughly the same hardware setup as france's FTTH (orange) and sweden...and they both do 100/100.

Trust me, H2o have got it right on this one, it's just a matter of getting councils/govt to allow them to roll it out!

P.S BT Have a much smaller backhaul back to central but it's more than VM...and the BBC has completely gotten wrong the FTTH trial from BT

[m419]

With regards to Sweden, Tele2 is a large player there:

http://www.tele2.se/tv-start-3-play.html

From what I can see, Tele2 is just as bad as NTL if not worse, they still offer Analogue TV,something that NTL/VM disguise on their website and marketing.

As for the digital Cable service, a definate no no, we have a much better channel line up than that!

Also, I've heard a few comments on how advanced Sweden's internet system is, well the UK is much more highly populated than Sweden, the UK has a population of between 60 Million and 62 Million whilst Sweden has between 9 and 12 Millon people. This means theres less upgrade works and costs in comparison to the UK, same with France too. Also if France is so good with its telecom networks, why is Orange so crap and expensive over in the UK????

And even the swedish companies such as Tele2 have commented on how open and the UK's telecom industry is in regards to predominant firms allowing open access. Something that the rest of Europe doesn't have, well not much of it at that.

Originally Posted by m419

With regards to Sweden, Tele2 is a large player there:

http://www.tele2.se/tv-start-3-play.html

From what I can see, Tele2 is just as bad as NTL if not worse, they still offer Analogue TV,something that NTL/VM disguise on their website and marketing.

As for the digital Cable service, a definate no no, we have a much better channel line up than that!

Also, I've heard a few comments on how advanced Sweden's internet system is, well the UK is much more highly populated than Sweden, the UK has a population of between 60 Million and 62 Million whilst Sweden has between 9 and 12 Millon people. This means theres less upgrade works and costs in comparison to the UK, same with France too. Also if France is so good with its telecom networks, why is Orange so crap and expensive over in the UK????

And even the swedish companies such as Tele2 have commented on how open and the UK's telecom industry is in regards to predominant firms allowing open access. Something that the rest of Europe doesn't have, well not much of it at that.

I've never understood why orange is so bad over here but in france it's a very highly rated ISP providing FTTH 100Mbit symetrical.

Hell, even orange ADSL+2 over there is miles better than what we get here and without shaping.

It's just a thing of this country where companies like to rip you off.

Swedens infrastructure was highly invested and done properly...which is why they can offer better speeds with no shaping.

IF the VM network was done properly we would be in roughly the same situation.

Who knows...one day the UK might be like japan with 1Gbit connections directly to your house/apartment.

Maybe in about 50 years

FYI France Off 100/10 for 44Euro/month

100/100 for 70/Month



Free offer 50/5 for i think 25Euro/month on its own.

Cire Fibre offer 100/100 as well but i dont know the price on that?