Creationism vs Evolution, Equal? - Page 5

TheBlueRaja · 15-04-2007, 18:12

Its a valid point is it not - irrespective of opinion.

Ramrod · 15-04-2007, 18:25

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Its a valid point is it not - irrespective of opinion.

Indeed it is. Mere belief probably isn't enough when it comes to deciding what to teach our children.
Hence my assertion a while back that in some cases indoctrinating children in religious beliefs/lifestyles/etc could be seen as child abuse.....that prog about those religious nuts in USA being a possible example......

**Damien** · 15-04-2007, 18:28

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Its a valid point is it not - irrespective of opinion.

As long as we remember Creationism is not the same as Holocaust Denial

Ramrod · 15-04-2007, 18:35

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Originally Posted by Damien

As long as we remember Creationism is not the same as Holocaust Denial

But possibly equally ludicrous....

TheBlueRaja · 15-04-2007, 18:49

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Originally Posted by Damien

As long as we remember Creationism is not the same as Holocaust Denial

How are you in a position to comment though Damien? Is it because you have been taught, in School, about the War and what happened.

Don't you think you should also have been taught the conflicting argument out there that some people don't believe in the Holocaust and their reasons for it?

After all, if you haven't heard the opposing argument, how are you supposed to make up your mind?

Therefore, it surely makes sense to teach the opposing view that the Holocaust never happened doesn't it?

Ramrod · 15-04-2007, 18:53

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Don't you think you should also have been taught the conflicting argument out there that some people don't believe in the Holocaust and their reasons for it?

After all, if you haven't heard the opposing argument, how are you supposed to make up your mind?

Therefore, it surely makes sense to teach the opposing view that the Holocaust never happened doesn't it?

Nicely done

**Damien** · 15-04-2007, 18:57

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

How are you in a position to comment though Damien? Is it because you have been taught, in School, about the War and what happened.

Don't you think you should also have been taught the conflicting argument out there that some people don't believe in the Holocaust and their reasons for it?

After all, if you haven't heard the opposing argument, how are you supposed to make up your mind?

Therefore, it surely makes sense to teach the opposing view that the Holocaust never happened doesn't it?

The difference is the meaning behind the belief. Creationism is just a belief in a god who created life and so ons. Its a positive belief although I dont agree with it.

Holocaust Denial is about a so called 'Jewish conspiracy' and it mostly anti-semitic.

I agree that we should not teach alternatives theorys without evidence though.

TheBlueRaja · 15-04-2007, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Damien

The difference is the meaning behind the belief. Creationism is just a belief in a god who created life and so ons. Its a positive belief although I dont agree with it.

Holocaust Denial is about a so called 'Jewish conspiracy' and it mostly anti-semitic.

I agree that we should not teach alternatives theorys without evidence though.

Ah - now that would be trap number 2 my friend.

You see in America, public schools are religion free zones and are kept that way (within the constitution) otherwise you would have conflicts with the multicultural children who go to them.

Therefore Creationists themselves will tell you that in no way is creationism religion, it is in fact science and that is why it should be taught in a science class.

Do you see the conflict here... Do you see the deception...

**Paul** · 15-04-2007, 19:01

Enough about the holocaust, stick to the topic please.

TheBlueRaja · 15-04-2007, 19:03

Have you read the last 2 pages? This is about the topic.

Ramrod · 15-04-2007, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Damien

I agree that we should not teach alternatives theorys without evidence though.

How much evidence is enough and who gets to decide if it's enough evidence?

Nope, I think we draw the line between religious belief and scientific theory. One gets taught in RE, the other in science class.....

AntiSilence · 15-04-2007, 19:19

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I really, really, hope you guys are being ironic.............

I didn't say "Indeed" because I think that it was allied propaganda. I know it happened. I said it as I didn't want to continue the argument with TBR. Although I see where he was going with his posts.

Ramrod · 15-04-2007, 19:24

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Originally Posted by Damien

The difference is the meaning behind the belief. Creationism is just a belief in a god who created life and so ons. Its a positive belief although I dont agree with it.

I'm not so sure if it's a positive belief, but thats probably for another thread.....

15-04-2007, 19:24

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

How are you in a position to comment though Damien? Is it because you have been taught, in School, about the War and what happened.

Don't you think you should also have been taught the conflicting argument out there that some people don't believe in the Holocaust and their reasons for it?

After all, if you haven't heard the opposing argument, how are you supposed to make up your mind?

Therefore, it surely makes sense to teach the opposing view that the Holocaust never happened doesn't it?

The difference is that i for one have visited the Belsen camp and have seen the proof that it did happen. I have not seen the proof that some figment of someones book writing imagination created the earth and has some place for us to go when we become fertilizer. Good well written work of fiction that people seem to take as real

15-04-2007, 19:26

isnt reality a figment of everyone imagination anyway? aftersall what is real is subject to every individuals perception