Relationships and religion - Page 5

Salu · 26-11-2003, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Escapee

I wasn't having a go at you at all, but reading the book will not help me to understand what believers really feel about someone like myself who does not believe.

I am happy for them to worship/believe in father christmas and would not persecute them for such a thing, but I wonder how they feel about me?

The 'book' tells Christians to love those that don't know God....with a passion and to tell them the "Good News" of what Jesus has done for them. It's people that get things wrong, who castigate and hate. Just like muslim people and jewish people and atheistst....It's NOT God or the bible or the faith..

This draws us back to the "love the sinner not the sin" statement that says love and honour the person who does not know otherwise BUT do not compromise the faith which is pretty clear.

Xaccers · 26-11-2003, 14:12

Satanists still believe god exists, the same as god worshipers believe the devil exists.
The only difference is satanists (real ones, not your marylin manson wannabes) go through life enjoying themselves and some would say living life to the full.

Jon M · 26-11-2003, 14:16

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Satanists still believe god exists, the same as god worshipers believe the devil exists.
The only difference is satanists (real ones, not your marylin manson wannabes) go through life enjoying themselves and some would say living life to the full.

exactly right.. but it's the life AFTER this one that lasts forever.. so even if people spend this one "enjoying themselves" or living it "to the full" .. what ultimate good does it do them?

Xaccers · 26-11-2003, 14:24

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Originally Posted by s1lv3r

exactly right.. but it's the life AFTER this one that lasts forever.. so even if people spend this one "enjoying themselves" or living it "to the full" .. what ultimate good does it do them?

Well I think they'd pretty much prefer to have 80ish years of fun, living the way they choose, than living for eternity in a way that god wants and they don't.
So with that in mind, it does them a lot of good

PS wish the reputation system wasn't anonymous, got a rather nice comment just now

Jon M · 26-11-2003, 15:19

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Well I think they'd pretty much prefer to have 80ish years of fun, living the way they choose, than living for eternity in a way that god wants and they don't.
So with that in mind, it does them a lot of good

Interesting comment, are you saying God wants these people to go to hell?
If that is the case, sending His Son to die was a waste of time then..

Jesus died for sinners, like me and everyone else on this planet.

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Originally Posted by Dredge

On this forum, there are a group of people referred to privately by some of us in PMs as "The God Squad". Without naming any of them, I assume enough members will recognise who I mean. Have a look at their posts, notice all the "WTF" entries. all the filtered profanities. Look at the talk of their promiscuity, illegitimate children and boasting about excessive drinking.

Where do I start? :p ..

Call christian forum members "The God Squad" fine.. no problem with that.

Seeing as you quoted me in your post I can only assume that those comments were aimed in my direction?

If you HAD searched MY forum posts you find no mention of "WTF", filtered profanities, promiscuity, illegitamate children or boasts of drunkeness.

It just goes to show that you've already lumped every "christian" or "religously minded" person on this forum together.

I can't claim to have never done some of those things.. in fact I've done plenty in my life i'm not proud of.. but to call the christians here hypocrites on that basis is offensive.

What a wonderful advert for bigotry

Escapee · 26-11-2003, 15:20

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Originally Posted by Drudge

On this forum, there are a group of people referred to privately by some of us in PMs as "The God Squad". Without naming any of them, I assume enough members will recognise who I mean.

Well my conscience is clear because I have never referred to anyone in a PM or in open forum like that, I just think everyones views should be treated with respect and no-one should think they are better than the next person just because they have different beliefs.

I just didnt want that comment making people think that I have been sending PM's about believers! I have nothing against believers as I would hope they have nothing against me. But things do not sound that equal to me.

Jon M · 26-11-2003, 15:24

don't worry escapee

.. i doubt anyone would have made that assumption about you .. especially based on your previous posts.

**Chris** · 26-11-2003, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Drudge

On this forum, there are a group of people referred to privately by some of us in PMs as "The God Squad". Without naming any of them, I assume enough members will recognise who I mean. Have a look at their posts, notice all the "WTF" entries. all the filtered profanities. Look at the talk of their promiscuity, illegitimate children and boasting about excessive drinking.

What wonderful adverts for Christianity.

Oooh, there's people talking about us, how exciting, I've never been notorious before!

I'd be interested if you could name some names at this point, and give those who are 'guilty' as charged the chance to answer back.

Personally, I do my best to avoid inappropriate behaviour of all kinds but I'm no angel. I'm quite willing to post an apology on the forum if I've been guilty of any of the above (although I am reasonably confident that I've never fathered an illegitimate child or been promiscuous, and if the profanity filter ever kicks in on one of my posts it's normally because I've felt the need to discus S****horpe for some reason or other).

Jon M · 26-11-2003, 15:35

fair enough.. no offence taken

Xaccers · 26-11-2003, 17:07

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Originally Posted by s1lv3r

Interesting comment, are you saying God wants these people to go to hell?
If that is the case, sending His Son to die was a waste of time then..

Jesus died for sinners, like me and everyone else on this planet.

What god wants doesn't come into it.
That's one of the points of satanism, you live how you like and the responsibility lives with no one but yourself.
It also goes back to the "you can choose to live however you like, but if you don't live how I want you to, you'll die" message from god (cake or death?).

However, if god didn't want them to go to hell, then all he'd have to do is not send them, wouldn't he?
It's not like there's something more powerful than god making him do it is there?

Interesting thought though, some people on here have commented that hell is a metaphor for being seperated from god (a very good description of what I believe the bible means when it talks about hell).
Of course, that would only be hell to christians who want to be with god (think about it), non-christians who have never been in touch with god, or don't want to be in touch with him wouldn't be phased.

PS Towny, I'll get you a cape and mask so you can look notorious

Russ · 26-11-2003, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Drudge

On this forum, there are a group of people referred to privately by some of us in PMs as "The God Squad". Without naming any of them, I assume enough members will recognise who I mean. Have a look at their posts, notice all the "WTF" entries. all the filtered profanities. Look at the talk of their promiscuity, illegitimate children and boasting about excessive drinking.

What wonderful adverts for Christianity.

In defence of one of Kronas's posts -- some of my Muslim friends agree with his stance on the religion. They are devout and would never deny their religion but say that until the mullahs are selected from the training madrassas IN THIS COUNTRY and not brought in from the hill villages of Pakistan etc. then there will be no modernisation of the faith. They cannot discuss this among their own members for fear of retribution.

EDITED. I should have said "SOME OF the God Squad". To state that in this post I do not refer to any post or message by Silver or Escapee.

I actually invite people to refer to me as a member of the God Squad. My sig refers to me as a Bible Basher. I am HONOURED if someone called me a 'Jesus Freak'.

As for the people who do not display Christian-like behaviour - as you've not done any research in to what the Bible says about Christians who do this, I'll not comment other than to say if someone thinks Christians consider themselves to be free from sin and 'better behaved' than 'non-believers' then that would show a high level of ignorance and lack of knowledge.

But then again, when has balanced researched ever been needed by those who chose to attack Christians and their faith?

Jon M · 26-11-2003, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

What god wants doesn't come into it.
That's one of the points of satanism, you live how you like and the responsibility lives with no one but yourself.

why call it "satanism" then?.. what you've descibed above, is humanism..
satanism is anti-god by definition, so why not bring His point of view into it?

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It also goes back to the "you can choose to live however you like, but if you don't live how I want you to, you'll die" message from god (cake or death?).

yup.. more or less.. sucks for those that get on the wrong side of God.
Yet He is very clear in the bible.. that we have free will, to do what He wants.. or not.

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However, if god didn't want them to go to hell, then all he'd have to do is not send them, wouldn't he?
It's not like there's something more powerful than god making him do it is there?

We're covering a lot of ground today..
God doesn't want anyone to go to hell, as i said in previous posts.
The reason He doesn't just stop it all and make everything perfect right now is because of the free will that He's given us.

He is giving us the oppertunity to do what He wants because we choose to, that is far more valuable to Him.

It's always better to have someone do something because they want to, from our own perspective.. because it shows they care.

Even someone that hates me could do what I want them to if they had no choice or if i controlled them.

Thats what we (christians) find so fascinating about God.. is that He shows us what He's like.

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Interesting thought though, some people on here have commented that hell is a metaphor for being seperated from god (a very good description of what I believe the bible means when it talks about hell).
Of course, that would only be hell to christians who want to be with god (think about it), non-christians who have never been in touch with god, or don't want to be in touch with him wouldn't be phased.

Hell is both a real and frightening place according to the bible as well as being seperate from God.
Just because you don't believe in a nail sticking up out of the floor, doesn't mean it won't hurt when you step on it

(i hope you get my metaphor there)

Bex · 26-11-2003, 18:32

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Originally Posted by Russ D

<snip>As for the people who do not display Christian-like behaviour - as you've not done any research in to what the Bible says about Christians who do this, I'll not comment other than to say if someone thinks Christians consider themselves to be free from sin and 'better behaved' than 'non-believers' then that would show a high level of ignorance and lack of knowledge.

But then again, when has balanced researched ever been needed by those who chose to attack Christians and their faith?

i raise my hands and admitt to having masked swearing on this forum, said "wtf" and probably commited other things, however Christians are not perfect.......we try and be more christ-like but when all is said and done we are not Christ and will never be so.......

escapee...im glad to hear your relationship is going well, and i think i read that your gf isnt going to church as much because she is getting bad comments for dating a non-christian....this is a problem i have with some churches, they should be embracing her and helping her, not pushing her away

Bifta · 26-11-2003, 18:41

According to 2 born again christians I once had the misfortune of talking to, apparently I'm some kind of heathen for listening to U2 and hell is beckoning ... I was also once dragged into a born again christian (for want of a better description) church, watched people prancing about, shouting, fainting and wailing and decided that if i wanted to make a fool of myself as they were then I could get drunk and streak naked down the Strand Road instead, at least I'd have had fun.

Bex · 26-11-2003, 18:44

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Originally Posted by Bifta

According to 2 born again christians I once had the misfortune of talking to, apparently I'm some kind of heathen for listening to U2 and hell is beckoning ... I was also once dragged into a born again christian (for want of a better description) church, watched people prancing about, shouting, fainting and wailing and decided that if i wanted to make a fool of myself as they were then I could get drunk and streak naked down the Strand Road instead, at least I'd have had fun.

the music u listen to, while it may subconsciously effect you, does not mean you are going to hell.....not accepting Jesus as your saviour does....

as for the church....sounds like you went to a charsmatic evangelical church......(like mine) while they are great fun etc, it isnt everyones way and can be intimidating the first time you attend