Microsoft to close chatrooms

[Tiptoes]

You missing the point,


Being that when a child enters a chatrooom using this system everyone KNOWS its a child and when an Adult enters the Chatroom everone KNOWS its an adult.


AD to that there is a positive trace Route back to the individuals then you couldnt ask for it to be safer.

If market forces allow them to go off into other chatrooms then so be it but it will take a few more children lives and abductions before Parents act.

How many people Laughed at Volvos safety reputation prior to it becoming more standard in all cars?

[Lord Nikon]

and your idea will really impact
Yahoo chat
AOL chat
IRC
ICQ Chat
etc etc etc

The fact remains that MSN are but one small wheel in the engine of chat systems.

[Tiptoes]

Yes correct,

it has nothing to do with what client is used.

[downquark1]

Originally posted by Tiptoes
You missing the point,


Being that when a child enters a chatrooom using this system everyone KNOWS its a child and when an Adult enters the Chatroom everone KNOWS its an adult.


AD to that there is a positive trace Route back to the individuals then you couldnt ask for it to be safer.

If market forces allow them to go off into other chatrooms then so be it but it will take a few more children lives and abductions before Parents act.

How many people Laughed at Volvos safety reputation prior to it becoming more standard in all cars?

How easy is it for some adult to get a 'child' ID number? 2nd of all whats wrong with adults making friends with children.

[Tiptoes]

The only way you could get the info from the child would Be to take it from then or force them to give it to you.

If that ID is used on any other machine It is automatically stopped until further confirmation is given by the school which the child attends.


There is a three part Authorisation process two of which are unseen.

If someone else uses the computer then they also have to have the child present which means it would Be impractical for a Paedophille.

Besides which the location of the system is known and the telephone number from which is being used for the service.

And there is nothing wrong with Adults talking to children. But there is a difference when ADULTS are pretending to be children and this system prevents that at source.

[downquark1]

If someone else uses the computer then they also have to have the child present which means it would Be impractical for a Paedophille.

How would the system tell??

2nd of all, someone could steal a computer

3rd of all, how does the system verify which computer and were it is?

There are countless ways around such systems and in my view they are quite overkill.

[downquark1]

Can someone answer this?? Is the definintion of of a Paedophille 'someone who is sexually attracted to children?' or someone who actually takes such actions?

I ask because there is at least one institution (I heard on the radio) that counsels Paedophilles. Of course I do not defend their actions but I imagine the problem is a genetic factor - a bit like being gay.

My point is just because someone is a Paedophille doesn't mean they actually harm children, despite maybe wanting to.

[Tiptoes]

I know the countless ways around them Ive hacked enough programs in my time to know...


Thats why in answer to your points

1)the child will have a key.

2) The Safechat system will know that the PC is being used from a different telephone number using CLIDS so it wont work if it is stolen there are systems on the market like this that prevent laptops from being used after they are stolen. Addtionally although not necessary the PC will verify the key using encryption if the key doesnt match then the key doesnt work.So the pc doesnt work.


3) The system veifys the computer because it hardware coded into the motherboard and cannot be cracked. In a similar way to the Fritz-Chip but in essence its not the fritz-chip



If the child tries to use the key on another PC it wont work because all three Identifiers have to be in place.Roaming keys will be allowed but only after registration of pin number fo use with the key.

[Tiptoes]

Originally posted by downquark1

My point is just because someone is a Paedophille doesn't mean they actually harm children, despite maybe wanting to.

This is true hence why in the eyes of the law of the UK there is no legal definition of the term "paedophile".

The Oxford English Dictionary offers the following definition: "a person with paedophilia, i.e. an abnormal especially sexual love of children".


The main sexual offences against children are listed below:

(i) offences under the following provisions of the Sexual Offences Act 1956:


(a) Section 1 (rape)

(b) Section 5 (intercourse with a girl under 13)

(c) Section 6 (intercourse with a girl between 13 and 16)

(d) Section 10 (incest by a man)

(e) Section 12 (buggery)

(f) Section 13 (indecency between men)

(g) Section 14 (indecent assault on a woman)

(h) Section 15 (indecent assault on a man)

(i) Section 16 (assault with intent to commit buggery)

(j) Section 28 (causing or encouraging prostitution of, intercourse with, or indecent assault on, a girl under 16)

(ii) an offence under Section 1(1) of the Indecency with Children Act 1960 (indecent conduct towards young child)

(iii) an offence under Section 54 of the Criminal Law Act 1977 (inciting a girl under 16 to have incestuous sexual intercourse)

(iv) an offence under Section 1 of the Protection of Children Act 1978 (indecent photographs of children)

(v) an offence under Section 170 of the Customs and Excise Management Act 1979 (penalty for fraudulent evasion of duty etc) in relation to goods prohibited to be imported under Section 42 of the Customs Consolidation Act 1876 (prohibitions and restrictions); and

(vi) an offence under Section 160 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (possession of indecent photographs of children).

[downquark1]

IMO such a system will never catch on, it sounds expensive and time consuming.

[Atomic22]

a lot of this is scare mongering.....
there are millions of us that use MIRC or similar and have chatted on the net for many years and made very good friends with people...some of us run chat servers on nets and police them very well and have policys banning paedos etc etc (irc.zone.dk)and MSN is making out chat cannot be policed...they are just trying to make a new pay per use service seem safe to adults

[downquark1]

Originally posted by Tiptoes
I know the countless ways around them Ive hacked enough programs in my time to know...


Thats why in answer to your points

1)the child will have a key.

2) The Safechat system will know that the PC is being used from a different telephone number using CLIDS so it wont work if it is stolen there are systems on the market like this that prevent laptops from being used after they are stolen. Addtionally although not necessary the PC will verify the key using encryption if the key doesnt match then the key doesnt work.So the pc doesnt work.


3) The system veifys the computer because it hardware coded into the motherboard and cannot be cracked. In a similar way to the Fritz-Chip but in essence its not the fritz-chip



If the child tries to use the key on another PC it wont work because all three Identifiers have to be in place.Roaming keys will be allowed but only after registration of pin number fo use with the key.

I think Bill Gates would rather use this technology to stop piracy.

[Tiptoes]

ITs on its way its call the FRitz Chip after some Sentator in America and the name ----TCPA

http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html

BTW Simple solutions dont have to be expensive.

An old friend of mine set of a company called. Myzones which offers broadband WiFi throughout Manchester.

He started off in his living room at home with a linux box which he built himself for less then £300.


AS for IRC I agree but you have to think about the type of person using MIRC and IRC channels its not normally what hese numnuts use to groom kids with because there are a larger number of intelligent users on IRC and MIRC

[Lord Nikon]

and for people who have computers which never go online? reading between the lines, no connection to the TCPA means no usage of the computer

[Tiptoes]

I estimate that there will be a "limited" version until the TCPA is met which will then activate the rest of the software.