smoking and the pub

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

But I do have an addictive personality.I'm addicted to food mainly in the form of chocolate.I'm presently on the choccy wagon and frankly I'm not nice to know.

IF there was ANY choccy in the house at this minute I'd be chewing on it.Thankfully it's been p*ssing down all day so I've been able to resist going out to buy any.Fruit is just not a substitute.

I hate dieting!!!

well i could share some of my dair.................... , on second thoughts maybe not , sorry miss

Originally Posted by Salu

But surely you must understand that they were only "telling you what to do" because of the direct effect of what you were doing was having on them?

Would you object if I sat next to you in a pub and farted all night?

And would you object to me asking you not to drive your car as that is just as bad. See this can go on and on. I did not force poeple to sit next to me and i would not smoke in a non smoking pub but then i would not go in a pub that allows smoking if there is another down the road that bans it. I dont smoke therefor i make the decision to go in the non smoking pub. I dont wait outside the pub that allows smoking waiting for a smoker to drag me in . I am a adult let me make my own decisions, not have them made for me by someone that does not like my way of life. We can all chose where we drink


BTW i smoked from when i was 14 till i was 43 I decided to stop and i am dam glad i did

Originally Posted by Bifta

Yes, the designated area is normally called "Everywhere but the restaurant", if you don't like people smoking in a pub, don't whine at the people who are exercising their right to smoke in a smoking area, whine at the landlord.

Well said

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yep, I agree. It's a fact that people with flawed characters (ie. those with addictive personalities/ living in denial) are more interesting

Yeah, we're infinately more interesting than them liberal whining tosspot anti-smokers who's only enjoyment in life is to make others miserable.

[andygrif]

Originally Posted by Salu

And what about my choice/right as a non-smoker NOT to breathe in 2nd hand smoke?

Hehehe...I'm not that annoyed! But you do have a choice. Don't go in a pub.

Originally Posted by Salu

Smoking per se should not be banned as that would then fulfill your point above but I wouldn't call this removing choice so much as creating a law for the good of everyone.

Surely that's a little contradictory. If it's for the good of everyone then smoking should be banned full stop right?

Originally Posted by Salu

My not smoking could not offend or harm the person next to me...but someone smoking next to me would. If the smoker enforces his right/choice to smoke then he will be removing mine, not to. If I don't smoke I will not affect him. The smoking ban would ensure that I could exercise mine. The smoker, however can go outside or pop home etc...

As I said, I am in favour of more places that are smoke free, so you could 'pop' to one of those places rather than the nearest smoke-filled emporium. Your choice hasn't been imposed upon at all, as you ultimately have the choice not to go in the pub - which is in effect exactly what you're asking the smokers to do.

BTW you're not an ex-smoker are you Salu?

Originally Posted by homealone

So - what happens with a pub that has banned smoking, so everyone who wants to have a fag has to go outside, when they want to have a 'lock in'

Dunno...lock-out maybe?

I am a smoker but I'd never do it in front of anybody who didn't smoke. I am happy about the ban.

(Can't be bothered following the thread and reading everything else I thought I'd put my 2p in and leave)

[Salu]

Originally Posted by Bill C

And would you object to me asking you not to drive your car as that is just as bad. See this can go on and on. I did not force poeple to sit next to me and i would not smoke in a non smoking pub but then i would not go in a pub that allows smoking if there is another down the road that bans it. I dont smoke therefor i make the decision to go in the non smoking pub. I dont wait outside the pub that allows smoking waiting for a smoker to drag me in . I am a adult let me make my own decisions, not have them made for me by someone that does not like my way of life. We can all chose where we drink


BTW i smoked from when i was 14 till i was 43 I decided to stop and i am dam glad i did

At least cars serve a useful purpose unlike smoking.

We can all chose where we drink

Maybe, but we can't choose to not get diseases from passive smoking. That's why I believe this is not about rights but about harm prevention.

Pubs are known to be smokey places but now we are wiser and know that smoking is harmful we should use that wisdom. Pubs need not be smoke chambers.

[Salu]

Originally Posted by 'Andful Andygrif

Hehehe...I'm not that annoyed! But you do have a choice. Don't go in a pub.

That's not a choice. That's enforced discrimination. What about the antithesis? If you want a fag DONT go to a public place. Stay at home.

Yes I used to smoke as a kid but my main motivation is from seeing so many people die. Maybe unneccessarily.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Salu

At least cars serve a useful purpose unlike smoking.



Maybe, but we can't choose to not get diseases from passive smoking. That's why I believe this is not about rights but about harm prevention.

Pubs are known to be smokey places but now we are wiser and know that smoking is harmful we should use that wisdom. Pubs need not be smoke chambers.

very true , there is no excuse for proper extraction imho , except that it will cost money

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Macca371

I am a smoker but I'd never do it in front of anybody who didn't smoke. I am happy about the ban.

(Can't be bothered following the thread and reading everything else I thought I'd put my 2p in and leave)

sorry but if you cant be bothered to follow the thread then i cant see why you feel the need to post , how about hanging around a while and trying to get to know the thread instead of jumping in and then jumping out

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Salu

That's not a choice. That's enforced discrimination. What about the antithesis? If you want a fag DONT go to a public place. Stay at home.

Exactly! If I want to go to a pub, I can't because of smokers. They are doing something there that actively damages my health if I go there. How about if I was to go to a public place and spray a carcinogenic substance around on a regular basis the sole reason being that I find it relaxing and enjoyable to do so........unreasonable? Thats what smokers do...and then they say that if we don't like it we shouldn't be where they are!
Nice...thanks!

[QUOTE=Salu]
At least cars serve a useful purpose unlike smoking.
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And thats ok then "sorry you have cancer due to passive car fumes but they do serve a useful service so tuff"

My point

i do not smoke

I do not see that i have the right to enforce my not smoking on others.
I have the choice of which pub i go to.
Noone forces me to go to a pub where smoking is allowed how can they i have free will.

SO DO YOU use that right and only go to pubs that suit you.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Exactly! If I want to go to a pub, I can't because of smokers. They are doing something there that actively damages my health if I go there. How about if I was to go to a public place and spray a carcinogenic substance around on a regular basis the sole reason being that I find it relaxing and enjoyable to do so........unreasonable? Thats what smokers do...and then they say that if we don't like it we shouldn't be where they are!
Nice...thanks!

Let's face it, no-one wants to go down the pub with an boring, moaning anti-smoker anyway so they're better off going elsewhere leaving the people who are out for craic in peace I know plenty of people who don't smoke who have never complained about how smokey a pub is, people I regularly go out with. Even if we had dedicated places to smoke, your sort of people would moan that they should have a god given right to visit them and that we shouldn't smoke in them.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Bifta

Let's face it, no-one wants to go down the pub with an boring, moaning anti-smoker anyway so they're better off going elsewhere leaving the people who are out for craic in peace I know plenty of people who don't smoke who have never complained about how smokey a pub is, people I regularly go out with.

All very interesting Bif but I notice it doesn't answer the point I made...............




........and to those who will always bring car emissions into smoking threads...........we are talking about smoking not cars......you want to debate cars...start a new thread

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

All very interesting Bif but I notice it doesn't answer the point I made...............

Well, if you want to spray a carcinogen down your throat and then exhale it into the air surrounding you .. that's entirely up to you, i have no problem with it.